Herr_Garrett on 20/1/2009 at 07:41

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Just imagine, all those little Keepers running in the training courtyard, throwing basketballs at each other :D
Oh, sorry, I forgot all Keepers start out as Acolytes. :cheeky: Little Acolytes in little hooded robes, reading little prophecies and playing with little Glyphs.
I think only Artemus and Orland were allowed to have sex, since only they had separate bedrooms. And the idea of a big free-for-all Keeper orgy in the dormitories, well... That sounds sort of unbalanced. :nono:
Maybe they expected you to find your own entertainment before they "enlisted" you.
Er, using Glyphs to sate their carnal desires? Like... No, I'd rather not contemplate on that. Either they used the Discarta to cut the males :erm:, or now we know why there's is a 69 Glyph :angel:
Yes, that sounds pretty crazy.

Anyway, I agree with "wearing" Glyphs, I mean, if they are tattoo'd on your body, or you have an amulet, that's OK. But how do you drink them? There's a Keeper Pub, you go in, and order half a pint of the Door Glyph 'but from the stronger stuff, Brother'?. Same with breathing them. I think it'd mean serious sinus trouble if you tried to stick up a Glyph into your nose.:p
I really think she was just figuratively speaking.
But, yes, the Enforcers are transformed, somehow, there's a book in the Keeper Library which says, I think: "The Glyphs are applied and the transformation takes place instantly". Not deformed, altough I'm open to speculate on the idea how would they look like after one year of constantly wearing their dress.
One more thing... What does an Enforcer do, when they aren't engaged in wholesale destruction Citywide? Do they... sort of... sit down for a chat with the others, polish their armour, quaff a good pint and sneak out to visit some ladies with negotiable affection? It must be pretty boring after a while, just standing there sinisterously, with glowing blue eyes.:cheeky:

Erm... Are there any Keeper songs? :cool:

Jarvis on 20/1/2009 at 09:40

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I can imagine the little Keepers running around. Garrett was brought in as a child. I think of a Keeper compound as being similar to a Shaolin temple. They remained totally self sufficient and mostly kept to themselves. Not everyone there was an amazing martial artist, but everyone did subscribe to a very strict code and hard working way of life. If the Keepers want to remain unseen and unheard, they would have to do the same. I don't care how invisible their compound is (another piece of crap TDS thrust upon us), they still live, move, and interact with society. They need to take in food and supplies, and take out wastes. They need to send out their street walkers to gather intelligence and bring in new acolytes.

This is why I reject the vision of the Keepers TDS gave us. It's trite and unrealistic.

Which brings me to the enforcers since they were a sole creation of TDS...

All of my complaints aside, I got the impression that the enforcers were kept in some kind of stasis or state of non-life unless they were called upon. Someone said something about them being an unbalanced measure only released in dire situations. I agree with such a statement (though I agree more with the statement that Ion Storm wanted to jazz up Thief a bit to please their Eidos masters). The Keepers would leave such a dangerous and hypocritical entity locked away. After all, Keepers aren't about what is "right"; only what is "balanced".

Glyphs on their skin? Glyphs in their stomachs? Glyphs up their arses? Whatever, sure. Sounds good to me. They can already spew (yes, I said it, spew) magical energy anyway. Why not defy the rest of reality why they're at it?

My apologies for sounding a bit crass. When Thief 3 was in the works I was rather excited by the Enforcer concept art and couldn't wait to counter sneak them in the game. When they actually appeared in the game I was let down in a way I didn't think possible from a company I held in such high regard after playing Deus Ex. The Enforcers are the single worst let down in the entire Thief series storyline wise. (That joke of an "open city" was the single worst let down in the whole Thief series gameplay wise... but the Enforcers come in at a close second there.)

I'd have a lot of interesting things to say about Keeper Enforcers, but I'm afraid any input I could make would be about the Enforcers I imagined I would face before TDS ever came out.

Petike the Taffer on 20/1/2009 at 17:29

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Wow, so many new posts ! :cool:

Thanks for all your contributions to the debate ! :thumb:



I noticed that sound file (and I think she even said it once, while I was threatening her), but I think what she really meant was :

"Garrett, I can't believe you are turning against us - the ones, who took care of you and gave you education..."

But, to be honest, I really would have loved, if Karras would have said during the Soulforge mission :

"Gawwett, I hafe a comfesion to meyk : I... AM... YOUR FAWWER !!!" :cheeky: :joke: :)

Petike the Taffer on 20/1/2009 at 23:07

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Whisful thinking, ey ? ;) :cheeky:

Herr_Garrett on 21/1/2009 at 07:03

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Just imagine, Karras saying: "Well, Garrett, laddie, you know this thing between me and Caduca? Well, she came to a sermon once - obviously we were both younger those days -, and that's where we met. Eyes across a crowded room, that sort of thing. After the sermon I nipped out round the back, and there she was, waiting for me, and told me, hah, you never guess what, well, she said 'Dear Master Hammerite, I'm a really grievious sinner, could you punish me?' well, that's just the thing for a growing lad, so I took her down to the inquisition cellar, and, well, I won't go into details, but she definitely was absolved... Afterwards, we met a couple of times, great days, great days, and sometime later you came along, laddie, you know what I mean? But just as she told me, a day later, there was this... accident in the forge, with a hammer hitting me in the, well, not to put too fine a point on it, in the testicular area, and afterwards little brethren Karras wasn't the same. When I told your momma, the nasty bitch she was, she said I was no good for her any longer, and ran away. Joined some nuns or something, only it must really have got on her, 'cos last time I saw her, she was all wrinkly, and muttered me something about 'iron trees'. I say, this beer is pretty good stuff, do they put burricks in it? Anyway, I asked her, did she mean the candelstick I forged her? And she said, 'that's bad'. Hah. Stupid woman. Anyway, that was the last I saw of her, 'cos then I became pretty interested with all these cogs and stuff, you can't believe how fas'nating it is, laddie.
Anyway... You'n this Viktoria girl, eh? Nice strong limbs she has, I can't help noticing! And seems to be pretty well provided in the fruit area. Just be careful at the first time, you hear me? 'Course, I could give you a few tips, hahhahha!" and so on. By the Builder...:cheeky: