A Night in the Pub Feb. 27/02

The Phantom on 14/3/2008 at 19:26

Necromancing this thread

Fun short hammer mission :)
Completed on Garrett (expert) difficulty, in 43 minutes and 38 secs, and 100 short in loot.

SPOILERS Ahead

The story is pretty good, starting with Garrett going to eat something in the local pub (nice name, "Lucky Burrick Pub") and turning into saving the world from an undead invasion apparently. That's more of a challenge! The readables give plenty of information.
But unfortunately these, in combination with the objectives, didn't made everything clear to me.
I don't understand Brother Ruediger was killed outside the gate, while the source of the evil is apparently the abandoned church area. The passage behind the gate is a dead end, which doesn't make much sense with him being killed by zombies and the scroll next to him.
How exactly did the barrier fail? Just flipping a lever to reactive it made me think someone must've turned it off intentionaly. I didn't expect it would be so straightforward.
And what about the dissapearing brothers? I presume they were located behind the library passage when attacked, otherwise the whole hideout must've been swarmed by the undead. Those haunts we encounter, patrolling the crypts and church. Are they actually the missing hammers taken over by evil?
The ending was a bit abrupt, and I had a feeling like "that's it?".

An extra bug check wouldn't have been a wasted effort.
There are several small ones around, and a few strange ones too. Like random stuff (bottles, dice) that turns up in Garrett's hands when cycling through the inventory. What the...
This one made me laugh: the patrolling haunt in the crypt can be highlighted and picked up when he's alive. And when I dropped him he fell halfway through the ground and continued his patrol. It's hilarious to grab him when he's attacking you, drop him, and see him slowly running towards you, sunken halfway through the floor :joke:

A more serious bug is about the objective "Nobody builds a hideout... Find out what it's all about". It keeps appearing and dissapearing near the ladder area, and is absent after loading an earlier save.

But beside this, overal I enjoyed playing. There are enough positive things to be mentioned.
Good job with the custom Garrett voice lines, the character names in texts and linked to the bodies makes the player extra immersed in the events, and for a six year old mission the design is still looking ok :thumb:
Another german mission I am glad to have checked out!

I found the statue trap in the church a succesful method in dealing with the haunts btw :ebil:

The author, Hrothgar, seemed to had (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=741981#post741981) some unfinished projects he worked on years ago. Unfortunately (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74355) he left without ever finishing them.
Too bad. He did a good job with A Night in the Pub and I would welcome another mission made by him.

Does someone know the answer to these questions:
- What's the purpose of the switch attached to the pipes, in the main hallway underground ?
- Does the scroll with the Black Sabbath riddle, on the ground in the crypts near some bones mean anything ?

Garrett's Shadow on 23/11/2009 at 11:06

Inline Image:

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu188/Cpt_Dunsel/dump004-1.jpg
The HammerHaunt Theatre proudly presents Hamlet, starring Hammer Haunt #4 as Prince Hamlet!

(one reviewer acclaimed his performance in the "Alas, poor Yorrick" soliloquy as being "poignant yet eerie due to the resemblance of the actor to the prop!)

margotbean on 2/8/2015 at 07:24

Still discovering new ways to beat this FM.

Crawl around outside the back and sides of the pub... you can't actually get on the roof, but you can mantle onto the outside wall in certain spots. This brings everyone from the pub outside... where they are fairly easy to pickpocket and blackjack. :D

Thank goodness for that fire at the base of the statue with the hammer! I hid in the corner and watched two haunts burn to death and fall at my feet, and they never even saw me. LOVED THAT!

XO

Edit: Oops, you can actually get on the roof of the pub! I think that's what alerts everyone. lol

fortuni on 7/10/2021 at 15:43

Updated dml courtesy Glypher
Note: ND 1.27 are required and the presence of NVScript.osm, or installed T2Fix 1.27

Fixes:

- goal 1, 2 (these goals were reversible, now they are not)
- goal 3 (now all the undead are destroyed as the author intended)
- final goal (the goal is now fulfilled more correctly and has become irreversible)
- doors (protection, open position, mantling)
- sparks (correct positon)
- AIs (removed FrobInfo, Hearing)
- control panel
- arrows, etc

Code:

DML1
//T2 FM: A Night in the Pub by Oskar Schwermer (Hrothgar) / Fixes: miss21.mis.dml

#script "nvscript"

//starting point
ObjProp 114 "Position"
{
"Heading" 4000
}

//mantling
+ObjProp 212 "PhysCanMant"
{
}
+ObjProp 340 "PhysCanMant"
{
}
+ObjProp 343 "PhysCanMant"
{
}
+ObjProp 344 "PhysCanMant"
{
}
+ObjProp 359 "PhysCanMant"
{
}

//goals
Create -2086 "FG1"
{
+ObjProp "Position"
{
"Location" -101, -198, -29
}
-ObjProp "PhysType"
+ObjProp "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+ObjProp "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigOBBPlayer
"Don't Inherit" true
}
}
Create -5317 "FG2"
{
+ObjProp "Position"
{
"Location" -77, -205, -29
}
-ObjProp "PhysType"
+ObjProp "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+ObjProp "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigOBBPlayer
"Don't Inherit" true
}
}
Create -5317 "FG3"
{
+ObjProp "Position"
{
"Location" -77, -191, -29
}
-ObjProp "PhysType"
+ObjProp "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+ObjProp "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigOBBPlayer
"Don't Inherit" true
}
}
+ObjProp 30 "DiffTurnOn"
{
"quest var values" 0, 1, 2
}
+ObjProp 30 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapSetQVar
}
+ObjProp 30 "TrapQVar"
{
"" =1:goal_final_4
}
+Link 19 600 "ControlDevice"
{
}
+ObjProp 19 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapNonFinalComplete
}
+Link 195 561 "ControlDevice"
{
}
+Link 195 564 "ControlDevice"
{
}
+ObjProp 195 "TrapFlags"
{
"" Once, NoOff
}
+ObjProp 195 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapRelay
"Don't Inherit" true
}
-Link 201 565 "ControlDevice"
-Link 201 564 "ControlDevice"
-Link 201 561 "ControlDevice"
-Link 201 613 "ControlDevice"
-Link 565 564 "ControlDevice"
-Link 565 561 "ControlDevice"
-ObjProp 561 "DeathStage"
+ObjProp 425 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVRelayTrapOn="FrobWorldEnd"; NVRelayTrapDelay=500; NVRelayTrapCount=1
}
-Link 425 575 "ControlDevice"
-Link 425 571 "ControlDevice"
+Link 425 566 "ControlDevice"
{
}
+Link 425 591 "ControlDevice"
{
}
ObjProp 425 "Scripts"
{
"Script 1" NVRelayTrap
}
-Link 567 566 "ControlDevice"
-Link 571 570 "ControlDevice"
-Link 571 569 "ControlDevice"
-Link 576 591 "ControlDevice"
-Link 576 567 "ControlDevice"
-Link 576 566 "ControlDevice"
-Link 555 626 "ControlDevice"
-Link 555 579 "ControlDevice"
-Link 555 574 "ControlDevice"
+ObjProp 555 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVMetaTrapOn="FrobWorldEnd"; NVMetaTrapMeta="FrobInert"
}
+ObjProp 555 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" NVMetaTrap
}
-ObjProp 555 "Scale"
ObjProp 555 "Position"
{
"Location" -207, -269.35, -0.93
}
-ObjProp 555 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 555 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+ObjProp 557 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVRelayTrapTOn="[10.00]HolyStim"; NVRelayTrapTDest="&ScriptParams"
}
-Link 557 364 "ControlDevice"
-Link 557 540 "ControlDevice"
+Link 557 364 "ScriptParams"
{
}
+Link 557 540 "ScriptParams"
{
}
+ObjProp 557 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" NVRelayTrap
}
-ObjProp 563 "Scripts"
-Link 574 573 "ControlDevice"
-Link 574 572 "ControlDevice"
-Link 579 578 "ControlDevice"
+ObjProp 600 "AI_Converation"
{
"Actor" ActorOne
"Conversation: Action 0" Add link(Flavor,Destination(s),Source(s))
" Argument 1" ControlDevice
" Argument 2" 628
" Argument 3" 627,FG1,FG2,FG3
}
+ObjProp 600 "AI_SaveConverse"
{
"" true
}
+Link 600 611 "AIConversationActor"
{
"Actor ID" 1
}
+ObjProp 600 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapConverse
}
-Link 626 627 "ControlDevice"
-Link 627 628 "ControlDevice"
+ObjProp 627 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigOBBPlayer
"Don't Inherit" true
}
ObjProp 627 "Position"
{
"Location" -116, -187, -39
}
-ObjProp 627 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 627 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+ObjProp 628 "TrapFlags"
{
"" NoOff
}

//doors
+Receptron 7 "WeaponStim"
{
Min None
Max None
Effect "Abort"
}
ObjProp 7 "TransDoor"
{
"Base Speed" 1.50
}
+ObjProp 7 "Locked"
{
"" true
}
+ObjProp 12 "PhysCanMant"
{
}
-ObjProp 12 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 12 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
ObjProp 22 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 270
"Clockwise?" true
}
ObjProp 22 "Position"
{
"Heading" c000
}
-ObjProp 22 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 22 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
ObjProp 82 "Scale"
{
"" 1.1429, 1.1429, 1.1429
}
ObjProp 158 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 87
}
ObjProp 159 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 273
}
+Receptron 189 "WeaponStim"
{
Min None
Max None
Effect "Abort"
}
ObjProp 409 "StTweqLock"
{
"AnimS" None
}

//AIs
+ObjProp 26 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cswgard1
}
Link 48 49 "AIWatchObj"
{
" Argument 1" ""
" Argument 2" 181
}
Link 48 190 "AIWatchObj"
{
" Argument 1" ""
" Argument 2" 23
}
+ObjProp 71 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cswgardm
}
+ObjProp 72 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cswgard1
}
+ObjProp 81 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cswgard1
}
Link 136 137 "AIWatchObj"
{
" Argument 1" ""
}
-ObjProp 226 "FrobInfo"
-ObjProp 226 "Scripts"
+ObjProp 226 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigContained
}
+ObjProp 226 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" hauntca
}
+ObjProp 262 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" hamprsca
}
+ObjProp 270 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" hauntca
}
+ObjProp 321 "AI_Hearing"
{
"" Well Below Average
}
+ObjProp 321 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cswgard1
}
+ObjProp 346 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" hamprsca
}
+ObjProp 402 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cham01
}
ObjProp 402 "Position"
{
"Location" -87.5, -209.45, -30.15
}
+ObjProp 494 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" hauntca
}
+ObjProp 503 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" hauntca
}
+ObjProp 504 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" hauntca
}
-Receptron 504 "Knockout"
-ObjProp 504 "FrobInfo"
-ObjProp 504 "Scripts"
+ObjProp 504 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigContained
}

//sparks
ObjProp 69 "Position"
{
"Location" 9.45, -223.4, -30.5
}

//junk
+ObjProp 173 "InvType"
{
}
+ObjProp 188 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 221 "StackCount"
{
}
+ObjProp 609 "FrobInfo"
{
}
+ObjProp 633 "InvType"
{
}

//candlestick / flame
+ObjProp 336 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVDeleteTrapOn="FrobWorldEnd"
}
+ObjProp 336 "FrobInfo"
{
"World Action" Move, Script
}
+Link 336 338 "ControlDevice"
{
}
+ObjProp 336 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" NVDeleteTrap
}

//lanterns / arrows
-ObjProp 224 "DeathStage"
-ObjProp 516 "DeathStage"
-ObjProp 595 "PhysType"
-ObjProp 595 "DeathStage"
-ObjProp 625 "DeathStage"

//banners
+ObjProp 316 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 393 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 394 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 404 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 405 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 620 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}

//footlockers
+ObjProp 319 "JointPos"
{
"Joint 1" 90.00
}
-ObjProp 320 "Scripts"
+ObjProp 320 "JointPos"
{
"Joint 1" 90.00
}
+ObjProp 621 "JointPos"
{
"Joint 1" 90.00
}

BR4ZIL on 11/6/2023 at 18:04

With the DML, sadly it seems that the FM's objectives are entirely broken. Getting into the hideout never properly triggers the completion of its objective, thus you can never achieve the subsequent objectives.

This can be tested by quickly ghosting to the hideout's key location, grab it off the guard and quickly running back to open the entrance, in the original FM theres a new objective that pops up (alongside Garrett's commentary) once you get down into the hideout.

With the DML, this never happens.

Super sad i seemed to bump into two problematic DMLs in a row (the other being Just for Show FM), but after hundreds of played FMs and barely any DML problems, it was inevitable, haha!

fortuni on 11/6/2023 at 19:12

Quote Posted by BR4ZIL

This can be tested by quickly ghosting to the hideout's key location, grab it off the guard and quickly running back to open the entrance, in the original FM theres a new objective that pops up (alongside Garrett's commentary) once you get down into the hideout.

With the DML, this never happens.

Works correctly with me, well up to entering the hideout it does, enter hideout goal completes (irreversible) and 'Find out what the hideout is all about' goal triggers correctly.

You observation is curious as it would be highly unusual for a dml to stop a goal triggering with you but works correctly with someone else, so I suspect there maybe an issue with your Thief install, maybe there is there an old dml in there for example. Have you got a clean Thief install to check again?

PS. I used to test all of Unna's dmls before posting them but with Glypher I never found a dml that doesn't work correctly so stopped testing his dmls sometime ago.

BR4ZIL on 11/6/2023 at 19:53

Where did you download the FMs from? I just tested it from Taffer's Paradise and CheapThiefFMs, both give me the same problem when the DML is applied.

I dont know what could have caused them to break for some reason, they have been working fine for the past 200 FMs or so i have played (both Glypher's and Unna's DMLs). The old FMs that i have DMLs applied to still work fine as well.

Just as with "Just for Show", i have been using AngelLoader 1.7.4, but it too have been correctly applying DMLs to the FMs just fine.

EDIT:

I did further testing by downloading some FMs that required DMLs, these are new downloads, all from Taffers Paradise.

The FM "Shining Standards" DMLs are seemly working as intended, correct loot requirements show up on Easy difficulty, likewise for the second mission in that FM pack.

So at least its not some sort of error with AngelLoader and having too many FMs in the list.

fortuni on 11/6/2023 at 20:03

Guess I would have downloaded this mission from Thief Missions, but it won't be the zip that causing you your issues, more likely something is wrong with your Thief install. As I said the dml worked correctly with me, hopefully someone else such as Baeuchlein can quickly test the dml as well to confirm all is good with the dml.

Check the thread for Just for Show, I found the problem with the dml posted in the thread, it was an old dml by Unna, the dml in the FMDML package was made by Jax and is working correctly.

BR4ZIL on 11/6/2023 at 20:15

If the problem is only with my install, i can try to get a clean install just to test this FM. I ask about "which version" you had due to sometimes people having older, unavaiable, versions of FMs that were adquired from way back in the day! :P

As for "Just for Show", i am thankful for the quick reply, it is now working correctly after applying Jack's DML.

fortuni on 11/6/2023 at 20:29

Like you I have only been around for 10 years and this mission was released in 2002 so I doubt if we have different versions, and according to Thief Missions it looks like there was only ever one version.