Briareos H on 8/2/2011 at 07:05
i apologise for ever posting in this thread
Renzatic on 8/2/2011 at 18:12
Comeon, it isn't that terrible a thread.
Still waiting on Demagogue's reply, by the by.
Sg3 on 9/2/2011 at 05:48
I think it's interesting. Perhaps none of us are saying anything that hasn't been said before, but it's certainly educational to hear all the different theories, especially with each person's unique description of it and different point of view on it.
Vivian on 9/2/2011 at 11:53
Quote Posted by Sg3
How can we feel them if we're only "meat puppets"?
Of course we're basically biological robots, meat puppets or whatever. What else could we possibly be? And meat puppets obviously have feelings because we have feelings. QED.
Sg3 on 9/2/2011 at 15:32
Quote Posted by Vivian
And meat puppets obviously have feelings because we have feelings. QED.
That doesn't make any sense at all. I thought the "meat puppet" term meant that we didn't have real feelings. We can't be creatures-without-real-feelings which have real feelings, you know?
But like Subjective Effect pointed out, we all seem to be using different uses of "meat puppet." I agree that humans (like all other animals) are essentially "biological robots," but I disagree with the suggestion that we don't have real feelings. I can't see it. I can't wrap my brain around it. It isn't an emotional barrier, I think; I just can't make any sort of sense of it. How can my feelings not be real when I feel them? How can they be an illusion, since an illusion by definition requires a consciousness to experience? If not experienced by me, then by what else? I'm the one experiencing it. Gah! What a crazy thing.
Vivian on 9/2/2011 at 15:55
I think you're approaching the 'who gives a fuck' level of empiricism, there. I.E. the point at which there is no answer, and so no real question.
Sg3 on 9/2/2011 at 23:03
I would say that "I don't presently have the ability to comprehend the question or its answer" is a better statement than "there is no answer and so no real question."
gunsmoke on 11/2/2011 at 04:34
I always like to think about the acid connections we would have back in the day.
For example, 3 of us would hang out all day, every day. We experienced countless things together. Most of the time, we all noticed or felt something just a bit differently than the other 2. Perhaps the personal twist. Hard to say for sure.
But, when we were on acid, we would be locked into this single conscience, to the point we have communicated without any verbal or visual cues. We would experience an event together, then talk about it later, only to find out it was like we were in each others' minds. I had thoughts that I didn't share with anyone that Joy and Claire could both dictate to me individually without any cues or hints.
So, we (in our opinions) were as close as one could come to being inside another person's mind and experiencing what they did when they experienced it, and then had the same reaction to it.
These aren't stupid idiots, either. Joy is an Anesthesiologist, and Claire has a Master's in Botany. Not just dumb hippy burn-outs.
Just thought I'd share that.
Sg3 on 11/2/2011 at 14:43
Quote Posted by Wormrat
Maybe if you're in the business of allowing sophists the smug defense of "You just don't get it." I prefer to call a spade a spade.
Thing is, I'm pretty sure they don't have the ability to comprehend it, either. The "I" wasn't supposed to mean me specifically; I should have said, "humans don't presently have the ability to comprehend the question or its answer."
Briareos H on 11/2/2011 at 19:24
(which is incoherent btw)
(do i see a spade?)
