fortuni on 29/8/2014 at 16:17

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in note and reference you will find this

* These Fms are listed as demos either in the read me file, zip file or from other sources such as TTLG, however for the purposes of this guide demos that are purely DromEd demos, released to demonstrate new objects, AIs or other models ( often these demos have no way to end the mission ) have been excluded. All demos included in this guide can be considered as true fan missions as they have objectives, proper gameplay and often loot to find, however bizarre or small they may be. For further info it is advised you read the read-me file. Please note, for the purposes of this guide any mission that was a contest entry is not listed as a demo even if the zip or read me file says it is.

I excluded from this guide due to the above, as they are all DromEd demos

T1
Alarus Extension
Serpents Eye
WWF Smack Down

T2
Hookshot
Knockout
Knockout darts
Mistrz. Efekty Specjaine
NVGizmos

As for your other queries

T1
Great Tree...................No longer available as download as T1 but the T2 version is so is included
Spider Caves...............as far as i am aware this was never released as T1, only ever T2 and is included in that section
Serpent's Eye..............DromEd demo
Tower of St Moria........again is a T2 mission ansd is included in that section

( i suspect your darkloader is showing up some T1 missions as T2 and vica versa....there is a solution to this issue but i cant remember where i saw it)

And now for the T2 missions:

Fortune...................yes that's a error thank you will amend...:D
Gamble....................yes that's a error thank you will amend...:D
The Wall..................guide informs you to see St. Edgars Cathedral as that is the formal name of that FM...correct
Stealthy Business...... is listed ( 2 below St. Edgars Cathedral )
Klejnot Ghandara........is listed
Masquerade..............was there a Haddur campaign ? what other Fms were in that series, it may be useful to include that series in notes
and references....

Thief - The Dark project was a demo that i think was voodoo ( sorry if i am incorrect there ) that was updated to to run on modern computers, and was released as a 7zip file, that you need install a 7zip reader to play this FM as a stand alone FM....i included it as this guide tries to double up as a complete mission listing ( of currently available fms ), but is not played through an FM loader such as darkloader or FMSel

Same Day Different sh*t.....................no letters are in correct order as read by FMSel

Seems you have missed these:

Dead Night Sweet Delight................................this is TG mission, is listed
**Down In The Bonehoard...................................is this OM from T1, was there a stand alone release, if so is no longer available
**Dread Complex 1 - The Chaos Begins.................I don't know anything about this one, again is it still available for dl
**Freeze.........................................................I don't know anything about this one, again is it still available for dl
Hookshot......................................................see above re DromEd demos
**I Have A Bad Feeling About This........................I don't know anything about this one, again is it still available for dl
**I Will Kill You All...............................................I don't know anything about this one, again is it still available for dl
Island of Sorrow..............................................Added
Knockout.......................................................see above re DromEd demos
Knockout Darts...............................................see above re DromEd demos
Mistrz: Efekty Specjalne....................................see above re DromEd demos
NVGizmos........................................................see above re DromEd demos
A Servant's Life................................................Added ( sorry i was so grossed out by this one i deleted it....Ooops )
**The Sinking....................................................I don't know anything about this one, again is it still available for dl

Thief2X - Shadow Of The Metal Age....................I didn't include this one as it is a stand alone Thief Game that does not run through FMSel or Darkloader, and this was initially a FM loader guide, but having said that i later did include Thief - The Dark Project, so yes it should be include....will amend

**A Thieves Story - Part 1..................................I don't know anything about this one, again is it still available for dl

**So if you or anyone else can let me know of the history / download availability / whether they are playable missions or DromEd demos i will happily include them where appropriate

Thank you Karstenpontoppi for your eagle eyes....if you find anything else please feel free to post.....:D

fortuni on 29/8/2014 at 16:31

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No worries.....but I am severely Dyslexic.....proof is what i first changed this mission title too....Returning the Lickpocks......:D

have amended...:thumb:

fortuni on 29/8/2014 at 18:07

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thank you nickie.....have added A servant's life and Island of Sorrow,

as for Tower of St Moria, if an FM is no longer available as it was withdrawn for dl when the T2 version was released, should it be listed in both sections.....im not sure, but if you guys think it should could someone / a lot of people / the old guard help me by letting me know which FMs (esp the conversions) that were originally on T1 but are no longer available as i have no way of finding out which ones they are

Ta muchly.....:D

fortuni on 29/8/2014 at 22:33

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Karstenpontoppi

T1/TG
- Alarus Extension: Dromed demo / excluded from guide
- Great Tree: Author: first released as T1 but is now only available as T2 mission / already in guide
- The Spider Caves: first released as T1 but is now only available as T2 mission / already in guide
- The Serpent's Eye: No longer available.....if so where ?
- Tower of St.Moria: first released as T1 but is now only available as T2 mission / already in guide
- WWF Smack Down: DromEd demo

if any of the 3 T1 ported to T2 FMs are still available for download as T1 FMs, please let me know where it is available and ill include it in the guide

T2:
- The Wall vs St. Edgar's Cathedral: You have listed them both....The Wall is a common secondry name so have put it in the guide, but have re-directed viewers to the St. Edgars entry

- Stealthy Business: Can't find this anywhere? Meaning - Stealthy business is the name of the 1st part of the Darkstone Gem as it appears on darkloader, again my fault..... amended

- Klejnot Ghandara: Can't find this anywhere? Meaning - this is the Polish name, Jewel of Ghandara is the English translation, nickie asked me to keep in Polish title as it is the most commonly used of the two, but if you look at the right hand column it refers you to the Jewel of Ghandara entry

- Haddur campaign:
1. Intialition
2. Newborn
3. Back To Haddur
4. Purgatorium
5. Siege
6. Waking
7. Masquerade - Is this the same as the one you list?...........yes, i put that in as that is how it comes up on darkloader,didn't realise the mission was actually called haddur... amended

- Same Day Different Sh*t: ...have already amended

- Dead Night Sweet Delight: Author: already listed T1 mission
- Down In The Bonehoard: ...no longer available ? if so where ?
- Dread Complex 1 - no longer available, if so where ?
- Freeze: ...DromEd demo....excluded from guide
- Hookshot: ...DromEd demo....excluded from guide
- I Have A Bad Feeling About This: no longer available, was withdrawn by author
- I Will Kill You All: no longer available, if so where ?
- Island of Sorrow: already amended...thanks nickie
- Knockout: DromEd Demo ..Excluded
- Knockout Darts: DromEd Demo...Excluded
- Mistrz: Efekty Specjalne: DromEd Demo...excluded
- NVGizmos: DromEd demo...excluded
- A Servant's Life: already amended..thanks nickie
- The Sinking: DromEd Demo...excluded
- A Thieves Story - Part 1: no longer available, if so where ?

- Thief2X - Shadow Of The Metal Age: already amended (leaving this out was a mistake, but initially this was purely an exercise by myself to draw up a A_Z listing of all current FM, in order to work out which FMs were not listed in the mission by type thread, it then morphed into a mission finder guide, so for both of those reasons it was left out of the listing, later nickie asked me to describe the listing as a complete listing of all FMs as fundermentally that is what it had almost turned into, leaving T2X was a complete oversight, mainly as it did not appear in darkloader or FMSel )

TTLG forum info dug up

The Serpent's Eye, there is no TTLG thread
Down in the Bonehoard....according to TTLG thread it was posted on the Keeper site, but is no longer listed on there, so i assume it was withdrawn by the author
Dread Complex....according to TTLG thread it was posted on filefront, but never mirrored on the main sites, it was also total rubbish, so i will not include this one
I have a bad feeling about this ...This FM was withdrawn from the Halloween contest 2012 and from circulation presumably at the request of the author...i will not include this FM in the guide
I will kill you all...there is no TTLG thread
A Thieve's Story there is no TTLG thread

so summary

already in guide / guide amended ( with grateful thanks )
Great Tree....already in guide
The Spider Caves...already in guide
Tower of St.Moria....already in guide
The Wall vs St. Edgar's Cathedral...explanation above
Stealthy Business....amended
Klejnot Ghandara....already in guide...see explanation above
Haddur campaign....amended
Dead Night Sweet Delight...already in guide
Island of Sorrow....amended
A Servant's Life....amended
Thief2X - Shadow Of The Metal Age.....amended
Tower of St. Moria....is still available as T1 fm on both darkfate and tafferparadise....amended

Excluded as DromEd demos
Alarus Extension
Freeze
Hookshot
Knockout
Knockout Darts
Mistrz: Efekty Specjalne
NVGizmos
The Sinking

withdrawn by author
Dread Complex
Down In The Bonehoard
I Have A Bad Feeling About This

Don't know anything about...further info required please, before i consider any further action, unofficially released / withdrawn / unfinished....i haven't a clue

The Serpent's Eye
I Will Kill You All
A Thieves Story

maybe to include

Great Tree..... T1 version is no longer available to dl, and T2 version is in guide already.....I know this did exist, it just doesn't exist anymore i guess as komag made this FM and originally it would appear that it was only hosted on his site, and he withdrew this when he ported it over to T2, do we include / promote an FM in this guide that was withdrawn by the author.....nickie HELP !

Spider caves....T1 version is no longer available to dl, and T2 version is in guide already. (out of interest you gave the release date as 29/02/2001 and that is the date of the T2 release on the komag site, i saw in a thread however that this had been ported over from T1
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78963&highlight=spider+caves) but cant find any other download site carrying this T1 FM, thus if the T1 version did exist it was 14 years ago that it was available, so i really don't see the point of including it

my feeling is that if these were officially withdrawn by the author then they should not be in the guide, as the author no longer wishes for people to play that FM, the same argument goes for other FMs withdrawn for various reasons, but ill ask nickie to rule on this

also if you or anyone else could answer the Question outstanding about which Garrett's younger years / xtra should be deleted i would be grateful

Thank you Karstenpontoppi for all your work on this, you have found a no of important errors and raised some good points, sorry if you feel a little disappointed that i am excluding some of the demos but nickie and I had a lot of discussions with regard to the demo's and i played the vast majority of them before choosing which ones merited being listed, the criteria being above in the notes and reference section of the guide

edit....i may well include an amendment in the notes and references section, telling people there are over 100 demos available and include links to the Editors guide thread listing all the demo's so allowing people to search for and download demo's not included in this guide

fortuni on 30/8/2014 at 15:36

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done