About the Lost City... - by Bulgarian_Taffer
jtr7 on 2/5/2009 at 11:19
They've lost their knowledge over time. They've been stuck in a small world for so long, the outer world has become a myth. The teachers and scholars apparently have died off, or been killed by Rat Beasts.
Talking about Gravid, the Kurshok in the cage that leaves behind the map:
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DUNKurshokMissingGuy_001000, m06c040: "(Click, click) Two for the one who is missing."
DUNKurshokMissingGuy_002000, m06c0402: "(Click) No concern. He was head sick. Believed in (click) upside world."
DUNKurshokMissingGuy_003000, m06c0403: "He spoke to me. Told me (click) there MUST be upside...stories MUST be true...(click, click)...else where did strangers come from?"
DUNKurshokMissingGuy_004000, m06c0404: "(Click, click) Two for brain fever you suffer from...just like him."
DUNKurshokMissingGuy_005000, m06c0405: "(Click) Well...he is gone...somewhere. Why not upside world? World is there."
DUNKurshokMissingGuy_006000, m06c0406: "(Click) Not believe. (Click click) This is world. Wish makes head sick. I talk no more."
Gravid:
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m12v03a: "(Click) Sneaky above one. (Click, click) You head sick? Different? Yes? Open cage! Open Gravid cage! Gravid want return under. (Click) To Kurshok!"
From an early scholarly type:
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DUNnewhome:"After the Fall
Three clicks for the Kurshok. The Leaf Devil counted to bury us under the earth. Many perished, but we survived. Gruliac wears the crown still. We will find a way back above! Two clicks for our underground home for now. Gruliac counts that a new map must be made to show us which rooms survived the fall, and where they are now, and which caverns can be used to walk between. The theater renews our strength. The cave crystals there shine brightly and remind us of the sun. The former arena will serve as our new hatchery. Even now eggs are counted and placed there, and we prepare as we always have for the Hatchling Day that will come soon. The throne room is intact as well, and from there Gruliac can watch the rebuilding and oversee the survivors of the Great Fall. Tonight we celebrate our survival and curse the followers of the Leaf Devil. Tonight we sing songs about the open sea and the sky so hidden from us.
Tonight we sing of how we will find a way back to the above world, to return when we are strong again, when our numbers count what they were before the Great Fall. We must teach the young ones to never forget the above world, in case the Leaf Devil imprisons us here for very long time."
Keeper Rafe's observations:
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DUNfirstexp:"Monday
This is my first expedition into this citadel, but hopefully not my last. There is little here, though some might see value. In a hallway leading up and up, I saw a gold-woven tapestry, the scene perhaps part of their history or mythology - difficult to tell.
Books they can no longer read, or so it seems, as they are strewn about and left to decay. But there are still secrets that these Kurshok keep, that we will discover.
Tuesday
We are no further along than we were yesterday. Neville has tried to communicate, but has only a wound to his leg to show for his efforts. I believe we must go back, get supplies and reinforcements to suit the task, and come back refreshed. The council will surely agree and wish to retrieve the glyph key quickly. We will return soon."
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DUNkeepjournal:"Saturday
I encountered the Kurshok. Luckily, I did not reveal myself, turning back before the Kurshok guard saw me. Interestingly, the creature was keeping watch over a crown, possibly gold, though it was tarnished with age. No doubt valuable, for those concerned about such things. Alas, the crown isn't what I seek, or I would be on my way home - to rest and food.
Tuesday
I have set more glyphs to guide me home when I find the key. All proceeds well. But why did Keeper Gadwall refuse me expedition status? Why did the council not vote? When I return, there will be answers, but for now I must wait. Notes and map are incomplete - why could I not use the journal from the last trip?
Thursday
I have found the glyph key! But the Kurshok spied me, and they are relentless in their pursuit. For the moment I am safe - I have found my way into an ancient library, and secured the door.
Apparently, these beasts could once read and write. Perhaps living in these caves for generations has eroded their faculties.Monday
Every hour the Kurshok try the door. Sometimes I wish they would break through... No other exit. Why was the key so important? So hungry. If I could eat and drink glyphs... Will they rescue me? No one comes. I think I was sent. They hoped for this. Why don't they want the key? What do they fear? So tired..."
Kurshok scholar's fears coming true:
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DUNbegats:
"Count ten for King and Crwwn. Gruliac the Great fell and lost his hand and wore the crwwn til he died. Gruliac spawnd Grustam, brain feverd to serch for upper world. Spawnd Grenderic the Generos, shared the crwwn to frends at Hatchling Day who kild him and kept for ther own. Stop line of Blood Kings, start lesser-Kings. Kurshok sufferd King Orpet who spawnd Orpetolia who ruld for 50 but knew nothing. King Boramin took Crwwn, scolar who trid to save the learnings but faild. Pertok spawnd Bergamis spawnd Gruvat (kin of Grenderic) spawnd Formak spawnd Moriac. All wore the crwwn, but say no more on its power. The crwwn not loved Kurshok. The last Kings are Tormac, Fromulat, Bisit, and Merdiac, then chaos times come. The crwwn waits until we have a great King to offer, until we learn
all that is forgoten, until there are foes to battle, until there are new thrones. And scolar and Kurshok named of Turish, who writes this, will be gone past counting."
Bulgarian_Taffer on 2/5/2009 at 12:27
So they are classified as beasts, not people... I thought they are people, wearing masks like the precursors or something like that
Stath MIA on 4/5/2009 at 02:07
Quote Posted by Bulgarian_Taffer
What kind of people are these? Looks like they are totally ignorant, because they even don't believe in the "upside world"...
Highly isolated societies such as the Kurshok easily become dissociated from all that is without their sphere of influence. Thus they cannot comprehend the idea of a "upside world" as they have never known such a place. Being banished into the bowels of the earth can do that to race!
This thread seems to be getting a
ton of off topic questions regarding the Kurshok (references the grand total of 2 off topic queries), therefore I think its high time we started a Kurshok discussion, to, um, alleviate the off topic discussion (not at all because I just want to talk about them:sly:).
jtr7 on 4/5/2009 at 02:19
Resurrect the Kurshok thread!:D
Wait...there are no serious Kurshok threads, and the serious Kurshok discussions always spring and grow from Precursor/Lost City threads. Hmmm...a pattern.
EDIT: The new discussion for Kurshok is over here:(
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126432)
Stan_The_Thief on 23/5/2009 at 02:19
Finally, some free time to to attend to this thread. Looks like it has gone evil in my absence...
Quote Posted by Herr_Garrett
The Lost City and the Kurshok Citadel
ARE RELATED AND NOT JUST IN OUR IMAGINATION. There
is continuity and connexion between them. Got it?
Got proof? Preferrably from the parts of the game that actually have The Lost City in them. For only such proof would mean anything at all.
And there isn't much technology in the Kurshok Citatel to speak of. Nor any worthwhile artifacts either. Just a bunch of contrived-looking libraries too well preserved for a race of creatures who look like they couldn't even hold a book.
The Kurshok level had some good sound (ambience & music), I gotta give it that.
Stan_The_Thief on 23/5/2009 at 02:37
Quote Posted by jtr7
Kurshok scholar's fears coming true:
DUNbegats:
"Count ten for King and Crwwn. Gruliac the Great fell and lost his hand and wore the crwwn til he died. Gruliac spawnd Grustam, brain feverd to serch for upper world. Spawnd Grenderic the Generos, shared the crwwn to frends at Hatchling Day who kild him and kept for ther own..."
Do you find it odd that even back when they were "scholars", they talked -- and even wrote! -- in exactly the same fashion as they speak today, when they've supposedly degenerated and "lost knowledge"?
Meisterdieb on 23/5/2009 at 03:41
Quote Posted by Stan_The_Thief
Do you find it odd that even back when they were "scholars", they talked -- and even wrote! -- in exactly the same fashion as they speak today, when they've supposedly degenerated and "lost knowledge"?
Well, that book had to be written
after the Fall of the Kurshoks for one, and secondly we don't know
when exactly afterwards they wrote this.
And we don't know anything about their fascination for counting and there philosophy behind it.
Stath MIA on 23/5/2009 at 04:22
The loss of writing does not require an equal loss of speech. Perhaps the Kurshok simply always spoke like that. There are variations of almost all languages and you would be hard pressed to pick one which is "the right way of speaking", just the one which you are most used to.
