Splashcups on 15/1/2014 at 11:14
Quote Posted by Vae
EM has chosen to cherry-pick certain elements for the purpose of brand recognition only.
It seems a little more the other way round to me. The original team seemed to want to make it a sequel, although had issues with marketing it that way. I don't think the idea for a reboot was in the development from the beginning. So it certainly sits somewhere in the middle. The relevance to the originals may be minimal, although they are definately there.
Vae on 15/1/2014 at 11:24
The associated elements between THIEF and NuThief, constitute only superficial relationships...therefore, the relevancy to the originals is insubstantial.
june gloom on 15/1/2014 at 12:04
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Yes, it is being sold as a reboot, but EM have also stated that there will be things in the game that old fans should keep an eye out for. I think that they maybe disguising it in a way that it is marketed as a reboot, but alsocontain enough elements of story and lore that it can be seen as a sort of "unofficial" sequel for us classic players.
This is more or less similar to Grant Morrison's Batman Inc. Volume 2, which concluded not too long ago. While firmly placed in the post-reboot, New 52 continuity, it quite obviously shared a lot of connections with the previous continuity, making it exist, officially, in both timelines, and therefore making it the very last pre-Flashpoint story.
SubJeff on 15/1/2014 at 12:21
Quote Posted by Vae
The associated elements between THIEF and NuThief, constitute only superficial relationships...therefore, the relevancy to the originals is insubstantial.
We don't know this yet. Let's wait and see what the whole plot is about.
Vae on 15/1/2014 at 12:52
Correction...You don't know this yet.
EM has already explained that this is a "reinvention of the franchise" and that there will be "nods" to the originals.
If they reinvented the franchise, then they're starting over with a fresh universe, using only the notoriety of the assets from the previous universe...combine this with the "nods" to the originals, and the depth of separateness becomes clear.
Thirith on 15/1/2014 at 13:44
@NuEffect: Your recent post elsewhere about rewatching Battlestar Galactica made me think about the new Thief, mainly because of how BSG handles the 'legacy' of the original series while becoming its very own thing. I was never invested in the original BSG, which made it easier for the recentish series to succeed on its own terms without ignoring what had come before. I'm curious to see how Thief will do in this respect: will it do anything interesting with the legacy, will it be mere window dressing, or will it fall somewhere in between?
Of course it goes without saying that Vae already knows the answer to this, so we can take that as a given and don't need to state it again going forward.
Renault on 15/1/2014 at 15:05
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It's a reboot/sequel though isn't it?
It's a reboot that takes elements of the originals and then sets itself after them. It's not a real reboot like Man of Steel or Batman Begins, which completely redo the origin stories.
You can't have both a reboot
and a sequel, it's either one or the other. Either there's a history that you're building on, or you're starting over.
Found this quote from Stephane Roy, it pretty much says it all:
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"It's 'Thief' because we want to restart it, to reinvent it," says Stéphane Roy, producer on the game. "We want it to be part of the future, the next generation, and not part of the past. It's not a sequel. It's something new."
Strictly using bits and pieces from the old games (like the old Keeper library and Basso) doesn't make it a sequel. At this point, basically anything goes. They don't have to be consistent with anything from the original games if they don't want to.
SubJeff on 15/1/2014 at 16:35
Superman Returns was a sequel/reboot.
I know Thief is not a direct sequel. It is set after Thief 3 though, including containing elements from Thief 3. I know it's "different", like it's in an alternative universe, but resting on the legacy the way it does makes it a sequel of sorts.
Renault on 15/1/2014 at 17:31
I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the term "reboot." Simply restarting a franchise after a long absence doesn't qualify. It has to be a whole new thing, not bound by any previous entry in the series. Superman Returns was not a reboot, but it was sequel. It's plot was directly tied to previous events in the first 2 Superman movies. The Spiderman movie from 2002 was a reboot, as was the one from a year or two ago.
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It is set after Thief 3 though, including containing elements from Thief 3.
The first part (set after Thief 3) is not true, no one from EM has said this. If you have a source, let's hear it. The second part doesn't make it a sequel, the "elements" you speak of are just an homage. Just like the Bank level.
SubJeff on 15/1/2014 at 17:35
The brothel is in the old Keeper library. The one FROM Thief 3.
Sounds like after Thief 3 to me.
