Starker on 24/2/2017 at 12:21
Quote Posted by Vivian
His best work was done with other equally talented chaps, and now it's just him and a bunch of underlings it doesn't really work.
Well... that's a deja vu and a half right there.
And seriously, unless it's someone who edits their own movies like Kurosawa or Robert Rodriguez or the Coen brothers, auteur theory is mostly heaping a bunch of other people's credit on one person anyway.
demagogue on 24/2/2017 at 12:56
Now that I think about it, I can't even remember how the plot to Prometheus really went. I just remember the images and plot scraps which aren't gelling very well. So I'm not sure how this fits in.
This is the group going in to start building the terraformers while Ripley is floating in space, and everybody but Newt is going to die. That's this story, right? That was my impression.
dj_ivocha on 24/2/2017 at 13:33
No, see my post above, Dema. Covenant takes place several years after Prometheus, but some time before Alien - I'd guess 10 or 20 years earlier, so about 50 or so years before the colonists are sent to "Alien's Planet" and 60 or so before Newt is even born.
demagogue on 24/2/2017 at 13:51
Yeah I saw that, but what are they going to be doing there? Was there an earlier colony attempt that didn't stick? Because they mention being colonists.
Edit. My memory is actually probably too shot to figure this out, so it's not a big deal. I should just say the story of the lost Aliens colony is the only open piece I think I care about. Presumably they're saving that for another movie yet, as seems to be all the rage these days.
Edit2. Probably also, like another kind of trend these days, I'm subconsciously pretending Prometheus and Aliens 3+ didn't really happen, or did but at best were decorative filler around the edges of "the real story". So this set-up is already placing itself on thin ice then. But that's another issue.
Renault on 24/2/2017 at 14:05
A movie about the original colonists from Aliens would be pretty dull. They set up base there, install their atmospheric processors ("takes decades") and live peacefully for over 20 years until Burke calls to let them know about the derelict ship. After that it's just a massacre.
demagogue on 24/2/2017 at 14:08
"Just a massacre" in the right hands could be some pretty hardcore survival horror, especially if there were a group of holdouts and some got away unaccounted for.
Edit. Or even just Newt, and perhaps a caretaker right up until the end. I mean Alien was great and there was only one survivor, so it's not even unprecedented.
dj_ivocha on 24/2/2017 at 14:40
Ah, now I see what's bothering you. You assume the colonists from Covenant are going to the LV-426 moon, but I haven't seen anything that suggests this is the case. So almost certainly they are not going there, but somewhere else. It might be close to that moon, or it might be where the crashed starship originated from, or somewhere else entirely.
About the LV-426 colony - I don't know if I want to see a movie about that. We already know fairly well what happened and with certainty who survived, so any suspense wouldn't be about "is the black guy gonna die first and who's gonna survive in the end?". Incidentally that's why I generally don't like the idea of prequels. There are a lot of prequels I like (because I have no taste and like EVERYTHING*), but I still prefer normal sequels or at least side stories, even if those are sort of prequels. Like Rogue One for example - even though I knew that they'd succeed, I wasn't sure until the end if and who'd survive.
* I liked AvP well enough and the Resident Evil movies and the Star Wars prequels and and and :(
Renault on 24/2/2017 at 14:46
Quote Posted by demagogue
"Just a massacre" in the right hands could be some pretty hardcore survival horror, especially if there were a group of holdouts and some got away unaccounted for.
Yeah, I guess I can see that. I was thinking the colonists were just lambs to the slaughter, but the military guys in Aliens did find a barricade and signs of a "last stand." I'm sure they didn't have a lot of weapons there (at least not Marines style), so there could be some Macguyver type aspects of the colonists trying to rig up stuff like flamethrowers and seismic charges, or something like that.
I guess it would end up like Rogue One though where you know in the end
everyone dies.
demagogue on 24/2/2017 at 15:11
Quote Posted by dj_ivocha
Ah, now I see what's bothering you. You assume the colonists from Covenant are going to the LV-426 moon, but I haven't seen anything that suggests this is the case. So almost certainly they are not going there, but somewhere else.
Right, of course. Failure of imagination on my part. That could be a good or bad sign, either more interesting fodder to the origin story, or (like they said about midoclorians, or the zombie-ape ftm) giving us answers we didn't really want to questions we didn't really ask.
I'm going to shut up now since if the scope of possibilities is really that open ended, it's all just speculation at this point. And I shelve the LV-426 colony story idea as just my own personal curiousity.
Vivian on 24/2/2017 at 16:08
The covenant goes to some sort of engineer (or engineer precursor) world, the 'paradise' David mentions in prometheus (I think. Or scott did in a post-prometheus interview). It's not the LV-426 colony mission. I don't think the company is even weyland-yutani yet? Whoah this got pretty nerdy eh