faetal on 9/1/2014 at 19:26
The rationale behind that is that you have to take into account that every shot in a film is purposeful. So why the shot of the alien's "tail" moving between Lambert's legs, prior to the cut away and then sounds of Lambert being brutally killed (everyone else was killed instantly by a puncture wound to the head).
I'm not saying that definitely means she was raped by the alien, it probably doesn't, but that's the thought process that gets you there. I'd argue that such a thing would detract from the scariness of the alien, since its scare factor comes from its complete lack of emotion. Ash says its perfection is only matched by its hostility, but I guess that just means it kills, not that it enjoys killing, or indeed anything.
Phatose on 9/1/2014 at 21:27
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Why did the aliens and facehuggers never get it on?
Dude, the incest thread is in Comchat, not here.
As an aside, wasn't part of the reason Giger isn't much involved anymore because of how Fox screwed him on Alien 3? IIRC, he did a bunch of design work for the runner alien, but only got credited for the original alien design, as if he didn't help on this movie at all.
faetal on 9/1/2014 at 22:16
I'd argue that with the first design, he more or less made himself obsolete as all of the heavy lifting was in the brilliance of the original concept. After that, production companies can hire any number of fresh talent to build on those designs and all they have to do is devise variations - they'll look amazing (so long as they don't fuck with it too much) because the DNA of the designs is so damned good.
SubJeff on 9/1/2014 at 23:53
I liked Alien 3 too. I don't think it's superior to 2 but I really liked the atmosphere and the new Alien. Plus Charles Dance ftw.
4 is the worst film ever made though. Seriously. The Host is better.
Volitions Advocate on 10/1/2014 at 00:02
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I'd argue that such a thing would detract from the scariness of the alien, since its scare factor comes from its complete lack of emotion. Ash says its perfection is only matched by its hostility, but I guess that just means it kills, not that it enjoys killing, or indeed anything.
Isn't that the point though? The amazing thing about the alien is that it only represents what we project on it. It does its thing regardless. The cons in Alien 3 thought it was a demon there to punish them for their temptations, (originally supposed to be a bunch of monks in the first draft) but it wasn't, it was just what it was.
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... wasn't part of the reason Giger isn't much involved anymore because of how Fox screwed him on Alien 3? IIRC, he did a bunch of design work for the runner alien, but only got credited for the original alien design, as if he didn't help on this movie at all.
In the extra content from the Alien 3 dvd Giler and Hill (I think it was them) said that they had made an appointment to go to Switzerland to meet him and talk about designs and improvements. He went to work on a bunch of things he thought were cool (or that gave him a chubby or something) and they stood him up in favor of going to another meeting, and never tried to reschedule. So he did do a bit of work that just never got used in the film. Although it did get used in Species later.
catbarf on 10/1/2014 at 02:15
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Doesn't mean people shouldn't try. This is a very bad attitude to it don't you think cat? Striving for better is always best.
Fwiw The Last Of Us has great writing, as far as I've got in it anyway.
I think I could have worded that better, I'm not sure what you got from my post but all I meant was that most games have shitty writing so even if Abnett is mediocre as a writer he's still probably better than 90% of what we get with games as it is. I mean, fuck, it can't be worse than the writing in Colonial Marines.
The Last of Us definitely has great writing, but games of that caliber are few and far between.
nicked on 10/1/2014 at 08:54
Nitpicking, but Alien 3 didn't use CGI. It was a green-screen puppet.
faetal on 10/1/2014 at 13:36
That explains why it looks a bit ropey then.
DDL on 10/1/2014 at 14:08
S'pose I shouldn't be surprised by all the hatred for resurrection, but personally I've always quite liked it.
It's different, obviously, and has much less overt menace than 1 or 3, and less bombast than 2, but I've always thought of it as "french arthouse crazy" meets "aliens", which is such a staggeringly incongruous combination it almost has to work. Also I keep forgetting the stupid alien baby bit, which probably helps.
Plus it's got Ron Perlman, Brad Dourif, Dan Hedaya, Warrick from CSI and the dude from delicatessen (I almost expected him to pull out l'australien and throw it at an alien). What's not to love? Oh wait, winona ryder. Hrmm.
Better than AvP, at least.
