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demagogue on 15/11/2013 at 08:15

Personally I'll take hypocrisy over ideological purity any day.
Hypocrisy gets way too bad a rap IMO. It proves we're still respectable humans & know our limits when push comes to shove.

june gloom on 15/11/2013 at 10:38

Yeah I'll gladly take hypocrisy too. Ideological purity is the worst thing that can happen to a government short of mass vacancies of office like due to a natural disaster shattering the capital or something. And even that might actually be a blessing in disguise.

ZylonBane on 15/11/2013 at 18:20

Quote Posted by Nicker

"All is not lost" is more equivalent to "not everything is lost"

That's what is meant by the expression, yes, duh, thank you Major-General Obvious.

Nicker on 16/11/2013 at 01:54

Quote Posted by ZylonBane

That's what is meant by the expression, yes, duh, thank you Major-General Obvious.

It is the common understanding of the expression because that is what those particular words, in that particular order, actually say. There is nothing idiomatic, obtuse or arbitrary about it.

It is certainly not "logically equivalent to "None is lost"", which is the equivalent of saying "Everything is saved".

But everything was NOT saved, was it? Some things were lost and some things were saved. The word "not", modifies the meaning of the word "all" in the context of the phrase "all is not lost", something apparently obvious to not all of us, regardless of rank.

Now, do you have anything to say about Nazi art thieves, cultural sterilisation or the TV show Lost?

Kolya on 16/11/2013 at 03:36

Quote Posted by demagogue

There's this idea that a lot of Nazis were so high culture & had this ubermensch mentality, but when you look at situations like this you get the idea that a lot of them were just thugs that didn't get what art and culture were good for.

Neither that fascinated view is correct nor that banality of evil. Individual Nazi crimes may resemble the work of simple thugs. But they were interconnected and part of a larger crime. It's not that the Nazis didn't know what art and culture could do. They deliberately replaced it with propaganda to remove this threat.

Queue on 16/11/2013 at 14:54

If there is one thing mankind actually learned from the Nazis, it's how to use propaganda to effectively advance lunatic notions and assimilate others into one's hate-filled ideas.

Seventy-years later, Fascism is becoming all the rage in Europe:
(http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/far-right-threat-europe-integration) http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/far-right-threat-europe-integration
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1160972/The-far-right-march-rise-Fascism-Austria.html) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1160972/The-far-right-march-rise-Fascism-Austria.html
(http://socialistresistance.org/5635/greece-the-rise-of-the-neo-nazi-movement) http://socialistresistance.org/5635/greece-the-rise-of-the-neo-nazi-movement

It's chilling... much like this rise of Fasco-Christianity here.

And how do those of the hardline, neo-Nazi, far-right mentality use propaganda to win over the hearts and minds of the gullible? They scream that those on the left are Nazis!

nickie on 16/11/2013 at 19:45

There is something completely wrong in quoting the Guardian and the Mail in the same post. It's just not on.

Quote Posted by Nicker

Now, do you have anything to say about . . . the TV show Lost?

I'm not sure, now, if I should watch Lost or not. I think I saw an episode once, maybe.

Gryzemuis on 17/11/2013 at 13:47

Quote Posted by Queue

And how do those of the hardline, neo-Nazi, far-right mentality use propaganda to win over the hearts and minds of the gullible? They scream that those on the left are Nazis!

There will always be a small minority of nutcases, who can be classified as neo-nazis or fascists or whatever. In Europe, or the US, or even in Israel, or anywhere else.

You are referring to the latest development of the European Union, where the EU labels everybody who is not totally pro-europe as nationalists and fascists. There are many reasons to not like what the EU is doing. And to like even less the plans they have for the future. You don't need to be a fascist or a xenofobe to dislike the EU. But the EU makes it clear: "either you are with us, or you are a fascist".

Imho, that in itself, is imho a fascist point of view. I think that the EU itself is moving faster towards fascism than all those civilians they label as fascists.

Queue on 17/11/2013 at 14:41

No, I'm referring to far-right "conservatives" calling liberals Nazis, on media outlets--while Nazism itself is a far-right ideal.