kel on 17/8/2003 at 22:09
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Originally posted by jtr7 How 'bout just in this thread?:D I'm a lazy bastard ;)
deadman on 17/8/2003 at 22:29
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Originally posted by jtr7 When deadman finds the missing file (read: reconstructs it rom scratch), I expect to see Dewdrop in bold-face print for easy finding.:p Oh ye of little faith ;) It has to be here somewhere, I swear it on my life as a good Builder-fearing man! *opens up M$ Word and turns on his other computer, so he can search through both*
This might take a while :cheeky:. At least they're networked!
deadman.
deadman on 17/8/2003 at 22:35
Funny.. Wonder why I never thought of using Windows' Search function before now. I knew it had the word "name" in it, so I did that on my old PC, and there it was, under Adobe Acrobat's folder (no wonder I didn't find it earlier)! Now we all know why I'm world-famous for such horrible organizational skills, even if my excuse is that it was just a 'temporary home'.
Of course, now this is incomplete, not including the newly discovered names from the various Thief Gold WAVs I just posted. How bout I include them before posting, eh? ;)
EDIT: Ok, this should pretty much be it. Keep in mind I didn't include street or city names as I just wanted to prove I could list nearly all proper names (belonging to people) :cheeky:
Note: In case there is some confusion, words in brackets ("[", ]") are assumed titles and not actually found in any text. For instance, if one mage mentions a name in a letter to another mage, and the context seems right, this implies to me the other is also a mage. Let it be known I wouldn't have appended titles or surnames unless I felt there was reason for assuming such relationships.
Begin transmission:
Abner
[Acolyte] Kindle
Adam Ellis
Adan
Adept Al-Hayr
Adept Aroun
[Adept] Cellarer Abrucha
Adept Haseki Beyzar
[Adept] Lucca
Adolpho
Aeric
Alarus
Andelwine Meuse
Anna
ArchDuke Damor
Archibald Bumbleson
Archmage Corino
Archmage Garod
Archmage Ibn Al Haroud
Archmage Jabu Ibn Lani
Archmage Kahmin Ramin
Archmage Kreos
Archmage Tatyana Yokobik
Archmagus Kesthul
Arthur Whitcomb
Assistant Librarian Ashton
Azaran the Cruel
Bandly Rofthoffer
Barton
Basso the Boxman
Beniir
Betrum*
Blackrat
Bradwort*
Bram Gervaisius
BrandyRidge
Brellick
Brennan*
Brian Masterson
Brother Artus
Brother Carpenter
Brother Cavador
[Brother] Cid Capezza
[Brother] Coltus
Brother Dale
[Brother] Erlen
[Brother?] Fretus
Brother Gerard
[Brother] Gorrick
[Brother] Hellesse
Brother Inquistor
Brother Karras*
Brother Keybond
Brother Kelsus
[Brother] Lorus
[Brother] Manus
Brother Martello
Brother Mason
[Brother] Mendelus
Brother Murus
Brother Ortham
[Brother] Pendelus
Brother Renault
Brother Sachelman
[Brother?] Senwith
Brother Terrence
Brother Tickspring
[Brother] Ventus
[Brother] Vilnia
Brother Wainwright
Captain Blouf
Captain Colliard
Captain Carr
Captain ?Dark? William Markham
Capt. E.F. Regalio
Captain Pearsall
Capt. Regalio
Captain Rufus T. Spaulding
Carmella
Cather
Catherine
Cedar
Cedric
Cellarer Abrucha
Charly
Cherok
Chris Laskowski
Christine*
Commissioner deNavan
Conandra Forest Princess
Constable Mahk
Constable Tule
Constantine
Court Jester Teichholtz
Crimshaw
Cutty
Davell
Davidson
D.M. Gilver
de Perrin
Deirne
Dellin
Dewdrop
Deputy Meffan
Dikket
Dolan*
Dominic
Don Valencia
Dorcas Goodfellow
[Downwinder] Cavey
[Downwinder] Davey
[Downwinder] Donal
[Downwinder] Fredrik
[Downwinder] Magrin
Downwinder Rafael
[Downwinder] Reuben
Downwinder Solus
[Downwinder] Thom
Downwinder Verrilli
Dowol*
Dranko
Dreckboun
Duchess Alexandra Kurenov
Duke Leonard
Dunya
Durant
E.B. Bramrich
Edine
Ekim
Evelle de Ravencourt
Father Norrell
Father Tennor
Father Theol
[Clan/House] Felandine*
Felicia*
Felix
Fendon
Festil
Flemion
Foreman Hobart
Frederick Rothchild
Gelland
Geoff*
Gerwitz
Gibson*
Giles
Ginny
Giry
Gonzalez
Governor Horridge
Grandmauden*
Grimmad
Grimworth
Hal*
Head Librarian Philemon Abernathy
High Priest Markander
Hilde
Hodge
Hops
Ian Cribs
Iblis Truart Jr.
Iblis Truart Sr.
Issyt the Beggar
J. Hermann
Jabril
Jack
Jacow
James Geiger
Jason
Jenivere
Jeremyn
Jerome
Jerrett Brunelle
Jon Laliberte
Jorrick*
Joseph Fieldstone
Joss*
Julian
Julian Friehalt
Karras
Keeper Andrus
Keeper Lukas
Keeper of the Keys Fuquan
Kevil*
Lady Angelica
Lady Carina Veloden
Lady Caughlin
Lady Einhorn
Lady Lamer
Lady Louisa
Lady Rumford
Lady Shemenov
Lady Thomson
Lady Valerius
Lady Van Vernon
Lady Waterdike
Lady Weatherington
Latton
Lendros
Leeta Truart
Lily
Long Tom
Lord Signoli
Lt. Hagen
Lt. Mosley
Lt. Scarle
Lionel Karthman
Lisalle
Lisse
Lizotte
Lord Bafford
Lord Bassel
Lord Brosius
Lord Brynveran
Lord Carlysle
Lord Church
Lord Holanthrus
Lord Mani Rammstein
Lord Meuse
Lord Porter
Lord Ramirez
Lord Randall
Lord Rumford
Lord Signoli
Lord Thorburn
Lord Toby
Lord Van Vernon
Lord Whitsimmon
Lord Wilkerson
Lord Winhill
Lorna
Lotus
Lucky Selentura
Lucy Walker
Ludman
Madame Deniere
Madame Robilard
Madame Volari
Maddy
Mage Verlin
Magistrate Gilby
Mailu
Manny Jabrielle
Marad
Marcus
Marie Eleanora
Mark Ullucci
Master Banker Tyler
Master Builder
Master Forger Dovetail*
Master Gaspar
Master Ruitan
Master Vrinde
Master Willey
Mina
Misa
Mistress Carrie
Mollick
Morendrum
Morgan
Morrow
Nammon
Nathaniel
Naza
Nicholas P. Cantarelli
Noah Jerm
Nolman
Norman Druart
Officer Benny
Osterlind
Parcell
Pearson
Penelope Rothchild
Pernillious Pennybuckle, Esq.
Phyleas Crowell
Possum
Potsol
[President] N. Rampone
Quince
Quintus
Rakel
Raoul
Raputo
Reeve*
Reginald
Rudyard
Ryen
Sangar
Schmidt
Secretary of Protocol Weitan
Shawn Dejesus
Shemenov
Sheriff Gorman Truart
Sir Allard McCrellis
Sir Christopher
Sir Cullen
Sir McAllister Crom
St. Burringden
St. Jenel
St. Tennor
St. Vale
St. Yora
Sennet
Sergeant Bander
Sergeant Kelvin Porter
Servant Gilpen
Squire Shaunus
Steinkrauss
Stephanie
Steward Duma
Supervisor J.B. Tuttleshank
Sutter
Sven Mynell
T.M. Blackheart
Tarquis
Terrence
Terrius*
The Builder (also ?The Master Builder?)
The Eye
The Trickster
Theodore
Thistlewell
Thomas
Tol Camrick
Trog*
Trondheim
Tybal
Va-Taraq
Va-Toran
Venik Kilgor
Vice-President J. Rampone
Viktoria
Virginia
Walrick
Watch Officer Morgan
Watch Sergeant Harwin
Webster
Weythran
Wilhelm the Cellarer
Willoby Bright
Will
Wills
Winifred Bumbleson
Wrendal
Yannis
Zhan
*Found in audio files used in Thief Gold; spelling and, in some cases, the name itself, is subject to individual opinion.
jtr7 on 17/8/2003 at 22:43
It will be beautiful to behold, if you would, please. Then could we get the list archived for future reference somewhere more permanent so we don't have dead links for newbies to click on?
deadman on 17/8/2003 at 22:48
Heh, I'd say! But first, we must come to some agreement on how to sort the names and whether or not to separate city/street/etc. names or incorporate them into one big list. I suppose either you or I could do that, if you are sure you found them all (from maps, texts and such). At that point, we clean up the thread, or perhaps start a new one, and ask that it be archived!
Wow, wouldn't we be special if something we did was honored so? :cool:
deadman.
jtr7 on 17/8/2003 at 23:27
'Twould be awesome indeed, deadman.
As for deciding on a format: Unfortunately, some might prefer a chronological approach, but alphabetical is also wonderful. I mentioned before that I'm personally interested in a list that defines the names canonically. How about an alphabetized list that follows this format:
"Benny, Officer: TDP/G, TMA, T3: Loveable drunk guard seen everywhere in The City. Benny's often found in the company of his fellow guardsman Jax...."
and so on....
Or we could ask for our fellow taffers' input. If we do this, let's make it informative as well. The "A Novice Keeper's Lexicon" at Thief-TheCircle.com was a good start, but needs completing. Let's make it pure canon. No speculative comments without clear disclaimer.
The CD's aren't available to me at this time. My list came off of a floppy-copy I'd made 7 months ago for my own research. I won't be much help with briefings, movies, or waves. It's a pain in the butt to search for transcripts in these forums because the links are dead or the lists are incomplete, thus my hope that once this list for our muse Bukary is completed, I'll be able to copy it to a floppy (at least), or have it archived at Thief-TheCircle.com as "A (Master) Keeper's Lexicon."
deadman on 18/8/2003 at 00:01
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Originally posted by jtr7 "Benny, Officer: TDP/G, TMA, T3: Loveable drunk guard seen everywhere in The City. Benny's often found in the company of his fellow guardsman Jax...."Yeah, I was just going to suggest something similar. Alphabetical just looks nice, though titles and first names can screw it up, so having the formal "[Last], [First]" name format would work nice. But what about those with first, last names, AND job or social titles? "[Last], [First], [Title]"?? Someone who really knows how these things ought to be done should come forward, as I have no clue :cheeky:. I agree a small quip of each person would be nice, but tedious to be sure, and I'd surely feel certain comments of the most flammatory variety would come my way if any of that was done in
my words. But then you say you don't have the game CDs with you (are you crazy??) and can't check up on things, so this means you can't come up with descriptions of those you haven't already described. Maybe it could be put off? :laff:
In one way, I agree everything should be canon and just as it is in the texts, but in many cases I feel quite confident this person IS Acolyte something or other, or Brother this or that, and would like their title to be known. Of course, if we do describe them all, a note could be made that they "
appear" to be something or other. Or maybe you were talking about something different entirely..
deadman.
jtr7 on 18/8/2003 at 20:20
Deadman, as far as "[Last], [First], [Title]," I think the most common occurrence should be used for the full description. The other versions should be used as well but with the instructive statement: "See J. Rampone, President."
And I agree with you that any speculation should be marked/highlighted as such, as in the case of the likely title of "Acolyte," when we don't actually see/hear it used. You understood me fine, deadman.
Yeah, it's makin' me crazy not getting a Thief fix now and again. To further complicate matters, even if I had the CD's I have to use the library's computers... and they don't have CD-ROM drives. Otherwise, I would be on it.
deadman on 18/8/2003 at 21:23
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Originally posted by jtr7 Deadman, as far as "[Last], [First], [Title]," I think the most common occurrence should be used for the full description. The other versions should be used as well but with the instructive statement: "See J. Rampone, President."What if the most common occurence
is the Bricklayer, Benny, Sergeant? I shouldn't like to come up with an in-depth guide to names mostly consisting of filler in the form of "See B., Benny, Bricklayer" ;)
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And I agree with you that any speculation should be marked/highlighted as such, as in the case of the likely title of "Acolyte," when we don't actually see/hear it used. You understood me fine, deadman.As we'll have to go back (or maybe mostly me, at least until you get your CDs and the ability to use them back) anyway, we might as well determine how much or little of a stretch it is to assume someone has this title or another. From what I recall, at least some definitely
did have this title, but it never showed up in that order before (i.e., "Here are a list of all Acolytes: Jacow, Kevil, Aroun, and Brosius". Their names might not appear explicitly as "Acolyte Jacow" or "Acolyte Kevil", but because of the text it's a given. I can't recall any specific example right now, but I think it would also be best to give conditional descriptors, as in "most-likely" or "perhaps" :p.
Also, on a side-note, how is it possible to come up with quirky or amusing descriptions of names when they're only found once in a text or WAV? I'll leave that job to you :laff:.
I think it would be best to start researching for these descriptions now. What, if any limit should be placed, should be the maximum or minimum description length for each name? You think I'd just run with it and not have all these questions, but I am an ill-confident pageboy, you know..
deadman.
theBlackman on 18/8/2003 at 22:02
deadman, first let me say your efforts, as are those of JTR7 are to be applauded. Having made some similar lists in the past I am well aware of the consumption of time and energy required.
Regarding the format. Sub-headings such as: Street names-Buildings-Township areas-Characters etc. would be invaluable to the researchers using your list(s).
An expansion of the terminology might be a little burdensome, after all there are dictionaries that amply explain " acolyte, priest, etc. " :D The catalog of "monsters" might have some value. Is it a Spybot, a Warbot, a Robot, a spiderbot, and so on. Is it an Explosive device, a sunburst or what. Many terms outside Canon are used in postings. The authors picking what they think is a descriptive "name" that will be recognized and, let's face it, Canon itself does not always use the same name for the same device.
In the case of the "Sunburst" of the astronomer, an individual developed this in secret and named it. No reference shows that this information was given the Hammers (RTC) or the Mechanists (Soulforge Turret room) so multiple names are not unreasonable, but for players discussing these from differing "Missions" are sometimes using the terms interchangebly to the confusion of many.
Good luck to you and jtr7 and thanks for augmenting my existing lists.
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