All this detail.. to what means? - by Scott Weiland
june gloom on 15/5/2010 at 22:56
Quote Posted by Ko0K
First off, I already told you that you don't know the definition of bullshit, and you still haven't proven otherwise.
What, you want a fucking
chart?!
Here you go then!
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http://riskable.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/flowchart_bullshit.pngQuote Posted by Ko0K
Secondly, SS2's visuals were noticeably dated for the time, and in fact that was the consensus among the critics and gamers alike at the time. You alone thinking that "it wasn't so far behind" does not validate against that, you imbecile.
Oh right, because System Shock 2 ran on the Doom engine and looked nothing like other engines of the time, and because a bunch of reviewers- people who habitually slam any game for not having the latest and greatest in graphics technology, which you know damn well, have an opinion that matters.
Get out.
Eldron on 15/5/2010 at 23:08
Quote Posted by gunsmoke
System Shock 2 utilized The Dark Engine from the Thief games...and actually shared a small corner of the LGS office space while they were developing it.
was talking about deus ex,
systemshock2 had its downsides in the art not because of not putting focus on the graphics, but rather the team not having that much experience with the new kind of 3d artistry, the really good artists were working at id and such places at that time.
Still, shouldn't we bash systemshock2 on how it put so much detail into the sound environment, clearly that was really not needed!!
Torchlight is a good example of how you can fetch great artists at a low budget, and how gameplay can remain intact even though a great focus has been put on the art style.
Ko0K on 15/5/2010 at 23:12
Quote Posted by dethtoll
What, you want a fucking
chart?!
Here you go then!
Inline Image:
http://riskable.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/flowchart_bullshit.png Oh right, because System Shock 2 ran on the Doom engine and looked nothing like other engines of the time, and because a bunch of reviewers- people who habitually slam any game for not having the latest and greatest in graphics technology, which you know damn well, have an opinion that matters.
Get out.
Hey, retard. According to that chart, my statement goes straight to "opinion."
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Quote Posted by dethtoll
Your statement was bullshit, whether it was presented as fact or not
Guess what? The chart that you yourself referenced seems to contradict your own assertion. What a fucking moron.
Nameless Voice on 15/5/2010 at 23:18
Thsi thread needs far less stupid insults and sniping and more discussion.
ZylonBane on 15/5/2010 at 23:26
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Oh right, because System Shock 2 ran on the Doom engine and looked nothing like other engines of the time, and because a bunch of reviewers- people who habitually slam any game for not having the latest and greatest in graphics technology, which you know damn well, have an opinion that matters.
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/04/03/making-of-system-shock-2/)
Quote Posted by RPS
The Dark Engine itself was far from finished technology, as Shock 2 was well underway before Thief came out. “It was still pretty broken,” Ken says, “It ended up giving us a lot of powerful things, but it constrained us in a lot of ways.” For example, the oft-ridiculed low-polygon models were resulting from having to make a conservative guess of what the engine would definitely be able to manage and still be playable.
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http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3406/postmortem_irrational_games_.php?page=2)
Quote Posted by Gamasutra
From the outset we realized that we would have to work smarter, not harder, to make a game that could stand up in this market. It would be a futile attempt to create scarier monsters, bigger guns, or higher-polygon environments. Additionally, we realized that our design time and budget were very tight and that we would not have time to carefully hand-script complicated game-play sequences in the engine.
Stop hitting yourself.
froghawk on 16/5/2010 at 00:42
IIRC System Shock 2 used the Dark Engine, which could actually support far more polygons than they used in their models due to a miscalculation on the developer's part... so no, it doesn't look as good as it could have. The dark engine wasn't exactly top-of-the-line at the time, and they didn't even max out its graphical capabilities - far from it, actually.
Both SS2 and DX were graphically dated at their time of release, but most critics (and obviously us) regard them as the best of their genre (FPRPS). EOD
june gloom on 16/5/2010 at 01:45
Quote Posted by Ko0K
i like to talk on my cell phone while ordering food
Whatever, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if you hadn't decided to have a bitchfit because I called you on your idiotic sweeping generalization. And now you're instead focusing on some offhand insult I made because you tried to claim I don't know what bullshit is, which is not only absolutely and utterly besides the point but completely nonsensical. Do you actually have an argument to make or are you just going to continue crying because I'm a 'meanie?'
Get out.
Ko0K on 16/5/2010 at 01:55
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Whatever, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if you hadn't decided to have a bitchfit because I called you on your idiotic sweeping generalization. And now you're instead focusing on some offhand insult I made because you tried to claim I don't know what bullshit is, which is not only absolutely and utterly besides the point but completely nonsensical. Do you actually have an argument to make or are you just going to continue crying because I'm a 'meanie?'
Get out.
You look nice with your tail between your legs, boy.
june gloom on 16/5/2010 at 01:59
sorry but i don't fuck retards
get out
PigLick on 16/5/2010 at 02:00
can we also stop saying get out, cos thats obviously not gonna happen
