Fingernail on 8/3/2011 at 10:26
Quote Posted by theBlackman
The only problem with your argument is that Transliterated from Shakespeare to now. Shakespeare said that No person birthed of woman shall harm.
No he didn't:
(
http://shakespeare-navigators.com/macbeth/T58.html)
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http://shakespeare.mit.edu/macbeth/full.html)
And both are the same sense, born of woman or born of heaven: being born as a child. Macduff was from his mother's womb untimely ripped (Caesarian section), therefore not technically born.
I don't think anyone is saying that it should be "carried by heaven"... that was just an interpretation Sg3 put forward after Queue thought he knew better than to check the source. Apparently this is a common problem.
But regardless, Queue's point is still stupid. Shakespeare didn't know the difference between "who" and "whom" which would be rigourously taught in modern technical writing. I am less familiar with the works of WS Gilbert but the fact stands that his librettos have earned a (frequently quoted) place in the lexicon, so complaining about the word choice whilst berating someone for not knowing Strunk and White is absurd.
Ironically, he makes a good point about googling, he just should've done it himself and then seen it was a quote.
theBlackman on 8/3/2011 at 16:34
fingernail Good links. Thanks.
Queue's point is still stupid. So... What's new about that. :ebil:
Queue on 10/3/2011 at 19:45
From Webster's Guide to English Usage:
Quote:
Born vs Borne: These two words, both past participles of the verb bear, are sometimes misused.
Born should be used only in the passive of the literal or figurative act of birth (was born in 1989) or as an adjective (a born loser). The active past participle for giving birth is
borne (had borne three children. Borne is used for all other senses (a pain that could hardly be borne) (not borne out by the facts.)
I'm just saying is all.
...but I've only been studying usage, writing, and publishing for twenty-five years, longer than some of you have been born.
Or is that borne? FUCK!
And I was never complaining, I was just being a silly goose.
theBlackman on 10/3/2011 at 23:11
Quote Posted by Queue
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And I was never complaining, I was just being a silly goose.
You are allowed. We all do on occasion.
Websters2 current definitions. Generally in agreement with yours. One verb, one adjective. Tenses, past, present, future not considered. Definitions not usage perse.
1borne
\ˈbȯrn\
Definition of BORNE
past participle of bear
2borne
adj \ˈbȯrn\
Definition of BORNE
: transported or transmitted by —used in combination <soilborne> <airborne>
See borne defined for English-language learners »
Examples of BORNE
1. My book surveys the public-health landscape from food-borne and insectborne diseases to antibiotic resistance, from infectious causes of chronic afflictions to bioterrorism. —Madeline Drexler, Wilson Quarterly, Summer 2002
2. The news carried by mail coach is an exact inversion of the railroad-borne news in Charles Dickens's Dombey and Son (1844-46). —John Plotz, The Crowd, 2000
3. I would tend to think your strawberries died from other causes. Strawberries need excellent drainage and a sandy, acidic soil that has good air space to encourage root health. They like a soil that has been amended with compost. But strawberries can succumb to soil-borne diseases. —Kathy Huber, Houston Chronicle, 3 Oct. 1998
First Known Use of BORNE
circa 1559
Jepsen on 11/3/2011 at 03:09
Quote Posted by Sg3
I finished writing a poem a few minutes ago. Free verse. This is, I think, the fourth free-verse poem I've ever written. In spite of my months-ago promise to myself to stop writing poems, quitting is proving to be more difficult than I thought it would be. Maybe if I refuse to let myself write free verse ones, I'll be less inclined to write poetry again.
I remain perplexed. The more "expressive" my poems are, the less articulate and ... "artistic" isn't the word I'm looking for, but I suppose it will have to do—the more expressive one of my poems feels to me, the less articulate and artistic it appears on the page.
I feel like I'm going backwards. Instead of improving in quality, they're starting to slip dangerously toward the realm of crappy bloggy emo poems. To me it looks kind of like the incoherent mumblings of T.S. Eliot minus the critical laurels and the cartloads of esoteric mythological references. (I am not a fan of Eliot's work, although he has written a few lines that moved me.)
You should post some of these poems so we can discuss. Something with which you are relatively pleased. And something you aren't.
Sg3 on 12/3/2011 at 12:28
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Jepsen on 13/3/2011 at 15:54
Quote Posted by Sg3
Well, why not ... two days ago, I submitted five of my poems to a literary magazine. Of course I am expecting my second rejection letter shortly. [smile] Here is one of the ones that I submitted, and following that is my latest "poem" which, as I indicated in my previous post, I am not particularly happy with on an artistic level (although I feel that I expressed myself decently enough).[...]
Do you want comments/criticism?
Sg3 on 14/3/2011 at 04:04
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demagogue on 14/3/2011 at 04:27
Here's an old attempt at philosophical poetry.
Based on the philosophical concept of intentionality, which is the "aboutness" of a thought (what makes it about a hamburger and not your mother), famously derived from a Greek root for shooting an arrow towards a target (only famous because philosophers kept wanting to dig some insight out of the etymology; and apparently so did I). Anyway, it's something that's supposed to make you think.
Quote:
IntentionalityEach thought's an arrow in the air
Flying straight towards Kant knows where,
But when we ask what they're about
We do not seek from whence they sprout.
Instead we ponder where they go,
A funny tact for us to know
Why they will fly the way they do,
To think what's shot at shoots them too.
Or maybe Zeno had it right.
No arrow really is in flight.
Instead thoughts hover trapped in time
Like poetry and words Devine.
If that were so each thought we took
Would be like drawing from a brook.
Our minds would tap some stagnant source,
But would it flow without a force?
Sulphur on 20/3/2011 at 21:28
I do believe there's a painful lack of haikus in here.
heaven-stripped earth inks
valleys of broken memories as
Rorschach clouds unfurl
