Proliffia on 28/2/2018 at 02:08
I'm looking at Shipping and Receiving in dromed, specifically the part where you shoot the "crystal eye" with an arrow and the painting swings open and reveals some loot. The way this is rigged up in dromed doesn't make sense to me: the only link on the relevant FindSecretTrap is coming from the gold plaque under the painting. Looking at the plaque, I don't see any special scripts or links on it that would explain where the signal originates. The "Found Secret!" message appears when the invisible button on the painting is shot, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the plaque at all. Something else - the "found secret" message appears in actual Thief 2, but not in dromed. Can someone explain what's going on here?
Yandros on 28/2/2018 at 05:13
I don't have it open, but check if the painting (which obviously has door properties if it opens) has the Dark Gamesys > Stats > Hidden property set. If it does, that's what's actually triggering the secret and the FindSecretTrap is a red herring.
Unna Oertdottir on 28/2/2018 at 09:59
The elevator button (144) has a cd link to the FindSecretTrap (1800) after shooting an arrow at the button.
You can see it, if you type
set game_mode_backup 0
in DromEd
It's working because of the training script in Shipping and Receiving
Complicated stuff
(
http://thiefmissions.com/telliamed/scripts2.html)
Quote:
Training<dd>miss1.osm/miss2.osm 2</dd>Displays in-game instructions in response to various actions and events. Tips are displayed with red text for 30 seconds, and lock-out other tips from being displayed. If a tip mentions a command, the key binding for the command is also displayed. The tips and commands are retrieved from the string files <code>PlayHint.str</code>, <code>PlayAct.str</code>, and <code>PlayCmd.str</code>. When a tip is displayed, the campaign quest variable named "tr_" then the tip name is set to "1"; a tip will not be displayed more than once. This script uses the tip names: <code>UseDoorOpen</code>, <code>UseDoorClose</code>, <code>UseKeyTake</code>, <code>UseLootTake</code>, <code>UsePortable</code>, <code>SelectWaterArrow</code>, <code>PullArrow</code>, <code>ReleaseArrow</code>, <code>SelectBlackjack</code>, <code>PullBackArm</code>, <code>ReleaseArm</code>, <code>ReleaseArmClose</code>, <code>SelectKey</code>, <code>SelectNonTool</code>, <code>UseKeyUnlock</code>, <code>UseKeyLock</code>, <code>GoFindKey</code>, <code>UsePotionHeal</code>, <code>DropOrUseFlashbomb</code>, <code>DropFlashbomb</code>, <code>UseFlareLight</code>, <code>DropFlare</code>, <code>DropOrUseFlare</code>, <code>UsePickpocket</code>. The message <code>CheckMap</code> will display a tip about the auto-map. <code>VisGem</code> will display a tip about the light meter. The script also listens for <code>Popup</code>, <code>Prompt</code>, <code>Damage</code>, <code>QuestChange</code>, and <code>Container</code> messages, and <code>Timer</code> messages with the names <code>Prompt</code> and <code>Update</code>. The meta-properties <code>M1_TrackWorld</code>, <code>M1_TrackInv</code>, and <code>M1_TrackDoor</code> are automatically added, where appropriate, to all objects. The quest variables <code>WorldID</code>, <code>InvID</code>, and <code>WeapID</code> are used to identify the objects that are currently focused or selected. The quest variables <code>InvUI</code> and <code>WeapUI</code> signify when the respective items are visible in the user interface. The tip <code>GoFindKey</code> is only displayed when the object in question is named <code>JenivereDoor</code>. The tips related to the blackjack are displayed when the player is in a room named <code>CoshPromptRoom</code> and there is an AI named <code>CoshTarget</code>. The voice-over schema <code>gar0108</code> is played when entering the room. <code>SelectWaterArrow</code> is triggered by a room named <code>TorchTrig</code> and plays the voice-over schema <code>gar0106</code>.
Also check the metaproperties <code>M1_TrackWorld</code>, <code>M1_TrackInv</code>.
Proliffia on 28/2/2018 at 14:58
"Set game_mode_backup 0"
What exactly does that command do?
Unna Oertdottir on 28/2/2018 at 15:33
If you type 'set game_mode_backup 0' in dromed, it will cause dromed to preserve the game state when you switch out of game mode. Go in game mode, shoot the arrow at the button, back to DromEd and you'll see what happened. Never save after this.
Proliffia on 28/2/2018 at 16:29
Okay, thanks. I read your quote but I'm still a little confused. If you don't mind, could you explain what specifically is causing the training script to intervene in this case and what tipped you off that it was the training script that was doing it? Thanks again.
Unna Oertdottir on 28/2/2018 at 18:03
It's hard to test it. I've so many installations and the secret isn't working everywhere. I don't know why.
So I tested it again in the first installation and also dropped miss2.osm for testing. It's still working, so it can't be any miss2 script. I was wrong. Sorry.
btw, it's also working in DromEd.
R Soul on 28/2/2018 at 21:20
I think you're overcomplicating things Unna. All that's needed is a CD link from the button to the FindSecretTrap (to be set up in Dromed).
I don't know why that link doesn't exist in Dromed for miss2. The 'red herring' Yandros mentioned could be a leftover, i.e. the plaque was involved, then the mission designers changed the setup but forgot to remove the link.
Unna Oertdottir on 28/2/2018 at 22:05
It's like this
Quote Posted by Unna Oertdottir
The elevator button (144) has a cd link to the FindSecretTrap (1800)
after shooting an arrow at the button.
The FindSecretTrap gets it's signal from the button as intended. Can you explain why the cd link is showing up
after shooting an arrow?
Unna Oertdottir on 2/3/2018 at 14:00
Found it. The culprit is the patched miss2 in "patchedmis" which was installed via Tafferpatcher. In the original miss2, the elevator button doesn't have a cd link to the FindSecretTrap. This also explains the different behaviour in Thief2/DromEd.exe.
