"Patriot" - T2 campaign (May 2019)

Basso The Boxman on 12/11/2020 at 20:55

Quote Posted by Samantha1

There are not many fanmissions I dont like at all and I might be pretty alone with this opinion, but I found this campaign very bad. Probably the worst I have ever played! :erg:
The first mission already annoyed the hell out of me, cause there were constant fights in the streets between guards/hammerites and mechanists which went on forever. So you have to use another route around the city or you have to get followed by them or even join the fights. At the same time you have locked doors, narrow alleys and you only get about 10-15 for most of the loot. After half an hour and having about 500 loot (from 2000!!!) I thought "WTF?! What is even the point of this mission?! Its getting so tiring!" and dropped it. So I continued to mission 2, hoping that it´d get better. The way out of the prison cell was a nice idea, but after that it went downhill again. You have to sneak past guards, have security cameras around and again the worst for me: 10 for a loot. I know there was no loot goal in mission 2, but getting only 10 for a loot is so frustrating, I´m missing the satisfaction here.

This whole campaign is not my cup of tea, the music from the start screen (with the woman sounds:rolleyes:), the appearance with the arrow & targets, the music in general in the first levels in the campaign, and also the copied story from thief 4 with garrett taking care of a little girl (which was already pretty shitty in thief 4:p), I found all of that pretty childish. I´m sorry for the harsh critic, but I had to say it.

No you didn’t “have to say it” There is nothing constructive in what you said. Just complaining about a mission you don’t like. You can keep that to yourself since it brings nothing to the community. I think it’s a great campaign. Just very difficult so it’s not for everyone

Galaer on 12/11/2020 at 21:00

Too bad you had bad time, Samantha1. Mission 1 is really frustrating, I agree. There are 6 spots where you can get loot worth 500. In other words getting less worth loot has no chance to complete loot objective. And never ending fights are really annoying. But mission 2 is much better. You should give it a chance. Actually you should give another chance to the whole campaign. Maybe except Mission 6, because it's the worst.

Samantha1 on 13/11/2020 at 21:24

@Basso The Boxman: And your comment didn´t give anything to the community either, so you can keep that to yourself aswell, thank you for nothing!

@Galaer: Thank you for the Info! :) I don´t think I´ll ever get back to it, there are hell of alot better fanmissions out there imo and I want to spend my time more on them. But maybe one day I´ll get back to it. Mission 6 is even worse than mission 1?! :eek:

Basso The Boxman on 13/11/2020 at 21:26

Quote Posted by Samantha1

Lol my comment was to tell you to stop complaining. People here don’t need to hear useless complaints

Samantha1 on 13/11/2020 at 22:01

As far as I know this forum is for both positive and negative criticm. When I like a mission I´ll say it and I´ll tell what I like and when I don´t like a mission I´ll do the same. Just because for this particular mission my opinion doesn´t match yours, doesnt mean I am not allowed to voice my opinion.

Basso The Boxman on 14/11/2020 at 00:23

Quote Posted by Samantha1

The point is to be constructive. Either positive or negative. You didn’t do that. You just shat all over the mission. These are hardworking people that do this for free and in this particular case spent countless years making a campaign for us. So just be grateful please.

Samantha1 on 14/11/2020 at 09:44

I disagree. Critic doesn´t always have to be constructive. When I like a mission I often only go with "I absolutely loved this mission!". There´s nothing constructive about it and no one complained either. On the contrary, in this particular comment here it is even more clear what I didn´t like and what could be improved imo. You only complain about it cause it doesn´t fit your opinion.

What is the point of "just be grateful please". If you are always only just grateful for everything that is done, without voicing your opinion, changes & improvement will never be done. It´s hard to say "oh thank you, I am so grateful for this!!" when you don´t even like it at all. Appreciation goes with like and dislike, that does not mean that the hard work is not appreciated, but it is not in my interest to voice it here, cause I don´t appreciate the result.

Galaer on 14/11/2020 at 09:56

Quote Posted by Basso The Boxman

The point is to be constructive. Either positive or negative. You didn't do that. You just shat all over the mission. These are hardworking people that do this for free and in this particular case spent countless years making a campaign for us. So just be grateful please.

The point is her opinion is actually constructive. She didn't like this mission and she explained why. It's not like she's forced to love it just because a lot of work has been done.

As for you Samantha1, I really hope that you will give this campaign a chance later. When I played 1st mission I also had a thought to give up, because this mission didn't fell good. But later it gets much better. Mission 7 is really amazing. Mission 6 on the other hand is about finding progress path and that's really frustrating. Also I remember that I played this campaign after I beat all Thief 1/2 FMs that I never played before. It took me around 2 years, but thanks to that I learned mechanics much better. Cardia's missions especially force you to be very observant and teach you in what obscure places stuff can be hidden. It may not be fun, but it's very useful skill in other FMs. Have fun playing other FMs.

Samantha1 on 14/11/2020 at 14:48

Thanks Galaer. I´m pretty sure, one day when I´m through all the FMs that are out there (only counting thief 1 & 2), I´ll come back to this. But then I´ll skip the missions that I dislike, for example mission 1. Maybe then I´ll be able to appreciate the result more too :)

Philflound on 7/12/2020 at 04:59

I'm stuck in mission 4.

[spoiler] On the Victoria part, I can't figure out what to do with the wrench. I see nowhere I can use it. On the Garrett part, I went to level 4, got 2 explosive charges, but my 2nd objective never ticked off. I actually did not get the key initially, so I can't figure out how to get back down to level 4 if I need to. I found no documentation telling me where to put the charges. In fact, the only Garrett objective ticked off is the first one. Everyone is knocked out or dead. Need some help on this. [/spoiler]