"The Rebellion of the Builder" Mar. 29/06 - by GORT
Galaer on 3/11/2020 at 22:00
Quote Posted by fortuni
Mission 1 The Mystic Estate
Prevents player entering mansion via balcony and thus forcing player to complete an objective correctly.
Wait, but entering mansion via balcony was one of 2 intended ways inside. So I really don't get it why did you remove this option.
fortuni on 3/11/2020 at 22:59
No, your meant to enter via the window next to the balcony using the tree, only then does the ‘Enter the Mansion' objective complete. I checked with GORT as well as testing it in Olddark, you can't and are not meant to be able to mantle onto the balcony via the tree, but with NewMantle you can, so we locked the door on the balcony but only if you try to open it from that side.
Without the dml if you enter via the balcony you can play the whole mission without completing the ‘Enter The mansion' objective.
The 2 correct ways in are via the window next to the balcony and by the side door.
Galaer on 4/11/2020 at 09:05
I don't see the point of removing this option just because it's possible in Newdark. If I remember correctly balcony is well lighten and inside Mechanist can spot you through balcony door. So this path is much harder than going through window. Also jumping from tree to window is already very hard and many times it fails, so I have no idea why anyone would try to mantle to balcony. And to complete "enter mansion" objective you just can go to side room with window or go to basement. In other words that's really not a problem. Also door that can be open only from one side isn't very intuitive.
fortuni on 4/11/2020 at 10:57
If you don't like the balcony door fix we can put an invisible fence around the balcony instead, GORT suggested we find a solution and we liked the door idea, thought it fitted in well with the unexpected you come across regularly in The Mystic Estate.
GORT on 5/11/2020 at 18:33
Yeah, at the time I made this FM, I was using OldDark. The player wasn't meant to mantle the railing on the front balcony. Also, there's a good chance that an objective won't trigger correctly until the player enters the rooms that trigger it. The suggested places of entry are either the side door or the upstairs windows via climbing on the trees like a ladder. Maybe if I have time for this, I'll fix this issue about the balcony entrance and have it included.
fortuni on 5/11/2020 at 18:59
Quote Posted by GORT
Maybe if I have time for this, I'll fix this issue about the balcony entrance and have it included.
We can do that with the dml, it would be a solution that satisfies Galaer's concerns, let me know if you what us to do so.
GORT on 7/11/2020 at 01:04
Please do so. That way the objective gets triggered when the player enters the balcony doors.
fortuni on 11/11/2020 at 10:30
With regard to Galaer's posts and GORT's permission the dml has now been changed to trigger the 'Enter the mansion' objective when you go through the balcony doors, however the dml will only be included in the FMDML package when Jax releases an updated T2Fix, so in the meantime players will need to manually install the dml (miss3.dml) in (
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105164&p=2432614&viewfull=1#post2432614) this post.
PS. Other dml's for this mission are not affected and will continue to function correctly via FMDML package.
Philflound on 10/1/2021 at 00:27
Mission 1 questions.
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1. Went through the haunted library. I couldn't enter one area with a red door (clicked like it was locked). Not sure how to open it. If it requires putting out the 2 torches above, I have no water arrows left.
2. Entering the haunted library from the dining room was strange. Hitting the wall with the sword produced a hitting metal sound. I'm playing on Deathwish, so I tried shooting a fire arrow like someone mentioned here. It turned out things just went through and I mantled up without having to use the fire arrow.
3. Not sure what the whole haunted library was about. I killed everything short of the zombies and frozen haunts. I guess I killed Christine who had a sword in hand and was across the room where the floor fell into the pit of zombies. I ran across it with a speed potion taking some damage from the fire bombs dropping, but killed her by hiding behind the doorway and just whacking her with my sword. I did not get a sword from her.
4. The plaque with the symbols on them was for...??
5. Found the "lift" that brought me into the area with 7 red doorways plus the south doorway with the lift. Some brought me to a new set of 8 red doorways. I could not find any real combination on going through them. I ended up in a crayman room with one choice, the pool with another choice, the Christine area with a choice, and outside in the front of the mansion with the last. All other choices brought me to the first set of doors or 2nd set. Was I supposed to find something here?
6. I read a secret panel is in the hall behind the guard training room. I see it there, but could not figure out how to open it.
If you need fire arrows or water arrows to accomplish goals, I think more should have been provided. For some reason, I never played this mission when it was released many years ago. If it wasn't for recently seeing part two, I may have missed it altogether. I found this first mission extremely difficult and out of the box in many ways. I'm all for having things challenging. It took many types of strategies to knock out everyone since I couldn't kill them, but if the need ever arose to be quiet or ghost, this would be impossible. Anyway, I'm moving on to mission 2. I left a save for mission 1. I tried not to read too much here because there are many spoilers for the other missions and I couldn't figure out what went where if someone didn't identify the specific mission they were asking about. I got NO bonus objectives, so if anyone would like to enlighten me, feel free. Thanks.
Phil
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