Anime again... - by scumble
driver on 17/10/2014 at 09:59
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
But where the hell are you supposed to find it nowadays?
It's not hard to get, Amazon has dozens of copies.
froghawk on 24/10/2014 at 00:24
Definitely not kid friendly, but I just watched Paranoia Agent, and it was great! Shockingly deep, complex and ambiguous storyline for a brief TV series. You can't go wrong with Satoshi Kon. It's a shame his career was cut so short.
I seem to remember Kon's films Millennium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers being kid friendly, but it's been a long time since I saw them. Still, they're great movies, and neither has an R rating, so check them out.
scumble on 25/10/2014 at 10:35
I haven't got too far with all the suggestions so far, but I haven't got through Ghost in the Shell yet.
I found a series called Yozakura Quartet with a curious fantasy theme, entertaining so far. The general idea is that demons from a parallel dimension have slipped into the human one with related demon power regulation problems...
It is still weird to see the breast and crotch groping jokes, where male and female characters are doing the groping. Is the joke merely that this would be totally shocking in actual society, rather than the titillation aspect?
I also find it interesting that you can go from daft humour, cheesiness or cuteness to darkness and violence in Anime rather quickly. I think this sort of stylistic shift is a bit extreme for western viewers too, unless you're used to it.
Tony_Tarantula on 25/10/2014 at 18:06
Quote Posted by scumble
It is still weird to see the breast and crotch groping jokes, where male and female characters are doing the groping. Is the joke merely that this would be totally shocking in actual society, rather than the titillation aspect?
It's kind of like the recurring "nosebleed" gag. Best bet is to incorporate some cultural sensitivity, chalk it up to "being japanese" and roll with it.
scumble on 25/10/2014 at 20:11
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
It's kind of like the recurring "nosebleed" gag. Best bet is to incorporate some cultural sensitivity, chalk it up to "being japanese" and roll with it.
Unfortunately I'm the sort of person who likes to know the cultural background of these things. I'm in no way offended and actually find it funny, so it works but the difference of perspective is intriguing.
demagogue on 27/10/2014 at 10:57
I'm on Burmese unstable internet, so making a post is difficult, but I'll try.
I can offer maybe a little insight, but it depends on how deep down the rabbit hole of Japanese culture you really want to go.
There's definitely a thing with "body" humor in Japan, and something like kancho (kids' practice of sticking two hands up somebody's crotch) has to be one of the oldest running gags ever. There's a thing that it's always interesting to pay attention to people's butts. Public nudity, especially baths, isn't as much a problem. This is the strain that's part of Shinto naturalism of Japanese culture, where there's nothing wrong about the natural part of the world... It's the reason cleaning women have no hesitation cleaning a men's restroom right under the stream of a man urinating, because that's just natural part of the world and nothing to even notice.
Then that's in contrast with another strain about privacy, violations, and public humiliation also being a real thing that people feel strongly (the "wa" or harmony being shattered), which goes with the whole Asian and Buddhist thinking about respect and deference.
So the boundary between what's acceptable and unacceptable with regards to other people's bodies is both more fluid maybe, or anyway there are these two contrasting strains, one of them says the body and nudity is nothing special, the other saying touching people is a public humiliation that sink people to the lowest hells, so the stakes are higher (violations are more ambiguous and more humiliating). So my theory is something like that is maybe the engine of getting humor out of inadvertent boob and crotch grabs.
And then you have dirty minded gropey ojisans that are historically considered the funniest people ever, and for younger people, Japanese kids stereotypically have zero confidence, so there's always the joke they'd never be so bold to actually grope someone; it'd have to be an accident. Ah, then there's also the Japanese brand of fantasy-stoking, where the guy really wants to grope, but has to do it "accidentally" or through some excuse, and women want to do it too so we can all pretend it's not just a male power fantasy... And that's a joke. They aren't as self-conscious like Westerners would be that it looks like we really just want to outright grope the girl and are playing this accident version to get a voyeristic thrill.
But I mean, like I started with, kancho, the backside crotch shot, is the oldest gag ever, and that juvenile part is still around, or their flavor of it. It may not really need all that explanation.
I mean it's humor, so it's an ineffable thing that you can't really explain because it's something people feel, so what I said is probably still bullshit. Everybody has their favorite theories of Japanese culture that always keep changing because who really knows these things. But it's still something you definitely feel living in Japan, why it's funny and why it's a thing the way it is.
PigLick on 27/10/2014 at 13:51
My sister lived and taught in Japan for a number of years, and she used to wear thick baggy pants to minimise the kancho attack. On the anime side of things check out "Seki-Kun Master of killing time", really great short form series, very funny and totally safe for kids.