Another day in the death of the Arctic

Vivian on 16/8/2012 at 18:34

Same in the UK since someone had the bright idea of privatising the rail system. I think the problem is that there is only one track, and you can't really have competition in the same way as with planes. So you get defacto local monopolies and price fixing combined with no real reason to offer a decent service. German rail is still state run and works very well. I think it kind of has to be.

faetal on 16/8/2012 at 18:41

Yeah the UK rail system took a massive dick when it was privatised. Standard journey for me is Southampton to Cambridge (about 200 miles) which costs £85 return and I have to sit on the floor between carriages if it is busy. The fuck?

Scumble - in the UK & US the income inequality vs cost of living widen massively. The US has the worst Gini coefficient of any industrialised nation (53 or so) and the UK is not far behind (42 ish). Cost of living goes up much faster than average salary and only those in the top 10% earning bracket are ahead of the curve, so rich get richer, poor get poorer - literally. But that's another discussion.

LarryG on 16/8/2012 at 20:23

Yeah. I think that discussion belongs (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139806) over here. It is only tangential related to global warming.

Aerothorn on 17/8/2012 at 03:40

Where's (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129603) Fragony when you need him?

faetal on 17/8/2012 at 11:37

I think I lost brain function just skim-reading some of the comments in that thread. I had to stop before I flipped my desk over and hurled my monitor over the balcony into the concourse.

Muzman on 17/8/2012 at 13:10

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I wonder if Frags has kept the faith these turbulent years, as all the mad libertarian talking points have fallen one by one.
Don't know if this has come around here yet:
(http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/the-conversion-of-a-climate-change-skeptic.html?pagewanted=all)

jay pettitt on 29/8/2012 at 22:29

So we bundled past the previous minimum for ice extent a couple of days ago. No sign of slowing down and still potentially a couple of weeks or so of melt season left. And about a million square kilometres of sea ice (http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/ssmis/arctic_SSMIS_nic.png) breaking up on the east side.

Starting to feel like watching the end of the world :(

LarryG on 29/8/2012 at 23:25

A rising tide that sinks all boats?

jay pettitt on 30/8/2012 at 00:25

Quote Posted by Vivian

So we're like 3 standard deviations below the average for the last 20 years (when a StDev is about 0.5 million km2), and we're following what looks like the same curve as five years ago. Nice. Be more conclusive to see it for the last 200 years/since serious anthropogenic carbon emissions, but I guess that data is unavailable?

edit: duh, like you said. long term. yeah.

Courtesy of (http://tamino.wordpress.com/) Grant Foster.

Inline Image:

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/walsh.jpg?w=500

And from (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v479/n7374/full/nature10581.html) Kinnard & Co. 2011

Inline Image:

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/kinnard_2011_sea_ice.jpg?w=500

Vivian on 30/8/2012 at 08:50

On first glance: holy shit