Another shooting in the USA. Remind me about the reason for having guns again.

faetal on 6/9/2012 at 15:46

That list would be too long I fear.

june gloom on 6/9/2012 at 19:53

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This is all you have isn't it? I don't live there so I don't know. Blah blah blah. I love how you make assumptions about where I'd live and who my neighbours would be it. It's ridiculous.

And you make huge assumptions about a country you're likely to never visit! EVEN STEVENS, you miserable poop patty.

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I'd choose to have guns for my own protection.

And that's fine -- but you absolutely do not need to have 20, 30 guns and assorted blades in your house "just in case" if you lived in America, this is what I'm trying to get through to you. It's not necessary, and that you think it'd be necessary is very insulting. Not that you care, the only thing that matters is YOUR little feefees.

You're an awful person.

jay pettitt on 6/9/2012 at 19:59

10. Pistols at Dawn - duelling to the death to settle intractable disputes.

june gloom on 6/9/2012 at 20:07

11. Putting awful threads out of their misery

SubJeff on 6/9/2012 at 20:31

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You're an awful person.

No, I'm actually very, very nice.

I wouldn't have 20 or 30 but I'd have a few. If I had a gun I might as well learn how to shoot so I'd join a shooting range. And if I'm shooting I might as well shoot different types of guns because I like variety, just like I like different types of cured hams. So I'd end up with a few different guns I'm sure. I wouldn't have blades about the place though. What for? We didn't have guns in Africa but we had a bunch of ornamental local weapons, spears and axes and sjamboks and whatnot, as many people do. Just had a few of them strategically placed.

I've never been to Tanzania. I guess I can't make any assumptions about the weather there then. Ho hum.

june gloom on 6/9/2012 at 20:53

Really? You're using weather as an argument? Are you an idiot?

And of course you continue to fail to understand my point that your vast arsenal isn't necessary here, and probably not even completely legal depending on jurisdiction. Why do you persist on claiming you'll need it when people who live here are telling you it's not necessary and very insulting to assume so? Are you just that much of an asshole?

Stop posting, if only because you're making a fool of yourself.

Phatose on 6/9/2012 at 21:02

Anybody got a good list of relative crime statistics in the UK vs the US? In particular comparing rates of knife violence, and violence of any kind directed against women?

I'd like to check those things in particular because firearm's lethality is largely independent of physical size. Seems like the kind of thing that would tend to put off violence against women, who are statistically smaller then men - size becomes less of an advantage if she might pull a gun. Plus, it seems reasonable to expect a higher knife violence rate where guns are rare, simply because you're less likely to be the guy who brought the knife to the gun fight in that situation. Or, at least reasonable enough to be worth a look.

SubJeff on 6/9/2012 at 21:17

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it's not necessary and very insulting to assume so? Are you just that much of an asshole?

I may disagree with you but why does that make me an asshole? And why is it insulting for me to say if I lived in a country that has as easily accessible guns as the USA I'd arm myself? A lot of your countrymen do the same. Heck, I'll wager there are TTLG members who do it.

You seem awfully sensitive about this.

june gloom on 6/9/2012 at 21:27

How dense are you? My entire point here is that you are treating living in the US as living in some kind of backwater hellhole where thieves, rapists and murderers lurk in every bush -- This is absolutely not the case. You really have to ask why that's insulting? Either you're an idiot or a sociopath. And I am drawing that from YOUR posts, you've made your view quite clear, so don't even attempt to paint me as making anything up. It's one thing to have a few guns, it's quite another thing to set up an arsenal in your house here the same way you would when you were living in Africa.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? And why do you persist in proving your idiocy? Why do you insist on clinging to your wrongheaded assumptions of America despite being told they are wrong by people who live here?

jay pettitt on 6/9/2012 at 21:58

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Anybody got a good list of relative crime statistics in the UK vs the US? In particular comparing rates of knife violence, and violence of any kind directed against women?

Can't say I do.

I'd be mighty sceptical of any that might show up though. Generally speaking it's always best to go with the largest sample size possible. It's very unlikely that you'd be able to assert anything safely just by looking at data for two countries - especially when the 2 countries in question are the 2 with the greatest number of social malladies in the developed world and the greatest number of special interest groups trying to pin any given malady to their cause celebre. I'm no statistician, but I do know that good stats are hard to do.

Also, stats around violence to women are especially prone to things like social pressure not to report. You'd have to be very, very careful to get good useful stats out of any data.

That said...

(http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/index.html) Last I heard 1 in 5 US women had experienced rape, so if you think US style gun ownership might be doing a good job at protecting women, think again.