Another shooting in the USA. Remind me about the reason for having guns again. - by SubJeff
Jason Moyer on 25/8/2012 at 01:16
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While we are at it, how are the cigarette manufacturers coming with their still addictive, but DDYH (doesn't-damage-your-health) smokeless cigarettes? Shouldn't they be about ready to start up their marketing campaign?
Those came out years ago, although tbh I don't know who manufactures them as I'd rather smoke the real thing.
Shug on 25/8/2012 at 01:32
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It's beyond me why two trained police officers both needed to empty their magazines (or nearly so) to take down a guy at close range. It's also beyond me why the police would try to confront someone who is armed with a firearm and pumped with adrenaline in the middle of a crowd.
Apparently this is very standard. There have been other occasions where officers actually reloaded and kept shooting at a guy and he copped about 30 rounds total. Even trained people lose it in that type of confrontation, which isn't hard to believe
Jason Moyer on 25/8/2012 at 01:43
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It's beyond me why two trained police officers both needed to empty their magazines (or nearly so) to take down a guy at close range.
Because actually hitting anything with a handgun from more than a few feet away is really fucking hard. Firing 14 rounds into a crowd is probably a bad idea, though.
SubJeff on 25/8/2012 at 01:43
Quote Posted by heywood
It's beyond me why two trained police officers both needed to empty their magazines (or nearly so) to take down a guy at close range. It's also beyond me why the police would try to confront someone who is armed with a firearm and pumped with adrenaline in the middle of a crowd.
I think you're not really getting the pathophysiology of gunshot wounds. Real life isn't a John Wayne western, 1 shot doesn't kill just like that unless its has enough power and hits something vital.
You can take several rounds and still be able to fire your weapon so it makes sense to use multiple shots if you want to completely disable someone. I've seen a fair few people with injuries that would have killed them on film still talking (the most bonkers being a guy with a knife in his chest, going into his heart). I don't think it's a case of losing it but more of being sure.
As to doing it in the middle of a crowd; that's exactly why. He's in a crowd, it's a potential mass shooting. If you don't act quickly someone else may be shot.
Jason Moyer on 25/8/2012 at 02:20
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heywood on 25/8/2012 at 02:24
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I think you're not really getting the pathophysiology of gunshot wounds. Real life isn't a John Wayne western, 1 shot doesn't kill just like that unless its has enough power and hits something vital.
You can take several rounds and still be able to fire your weapon so it makes sense to use multiple shots if you want to completely disable someone. I've seen a fair few people with injuries that would have killed them on film still talking (the most bonkers being a guy with a knife in his chest, going into his heart). I don't think it's a case of losing it but more of being sure.
As to doing it in the middle of a crowd; that's exactly why. He's in a crowd, it's a potential mass shooting. If you don't act quickly someone else may be shot.
Did you read the article before you posted it? It wasn't a mass shooting in progress. The guy killed his intended victim and walked away from the scene, gun in bag. The cops confronted him in a crowded area,
causing him to pull out his weapon amongst all the people. The cops then fired 14 rounds. 9 people were wounded as a result of two cops who exercised extremely poor judgment. I acknowledge that it may take more than one shot to bring the guy down, but the fact remains that the cops instigated a shootout in a crowd of people, and weren't able to control their fire to avoid wounding innocent people.
Shug on 25/8/2012 at 02:27
some comments from the video, replying to one another:
I'm starting to lose track of all these fucking shootings.
>> our federal government staged all of these shooting to take away our rights!
>>>> You are right, seems to many shootings have happened recently like the Batman Colorado shooting. They most likely are MK-Ultra Manchurian Candidates. Research something called "Scalar Psychotronic Weapons"
june gloom on 25/8/2012 at 02:44
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I'm really tired of this nonsense. You either want to debate the issue or you don't. If you don't, then kindly piss off.
You pretty much killed the debate with the thread title and your complete (intentional?) misreading of the article you posted, so whatever, bro.
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Fyi; you don't need to visit a country to know anything about it. The USA is so huge I'll wager you know hardly anything about it.
I know plenty more than you do, fishbulb -- I don't need to get my ideas of America through television.
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Also fyi; what assumptions exactly?
Well, to keep it relevant, how about your notion that you need to have 20 guns just to defend yourself here? Aside from the fact that not even the worst parts of this country really warrant that kind of response,
you only have two hands. It's just plain insulting. Or how about your idea that gun control as practiced in the UK would somehow magically work in the US? Aside from the fact that our cultures are very different, as is our relationship with firearms, gun crime in the US is vastly intertwined with drugs, especially crack cocaine. The majority of guns used in criminal acts were bought illegally off the black market and go to career criminals and young thugs. You want to end gun crime in America? End the drug business and give otherwise luckless inner-city kids a way out of a life of gangs.
But noooo, let's just ban guns, that'll solve
everything LIKE MAGIC and then we can all go gyrate to Hugh Mandell.
[video=youtube;QT6i0P1lOj4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6i0P1lOj4[/video]
Jason Moyer on 25/8/2012 at 02:53
Yeah, I've largely refrained from offering an opinion because LOL YANKS.
june gloom on 25/8/2012 at 02:57
Gotta love a European trying to tell me he knows more about America than I do. This thread sucks.
