Vernon on 29/9/2011 at 04:34
I was in Delhi this time last year. The heat was unbelievable. Where in Delhi are you? Sounds like you're near the palace?
Yakoob on 29/9/2011 at 11:32
I'm by the Green Park / AIIMs metro station (yellow line), plenty of trees and buildings to shade around. But i'm also coming here after summer, so prolly missed the major heatwave.
Forever420 on 29/9/2011 at 11:51
Quote Posted by Vernon
I was in Delhi this time last year. The heat was unbelievable. Where in Delhi are you? Sounds like you're near the palace?
Do not believe the man Vernon, chance most like have it he be spouting falsehoods out the ass.
Vernon on 29/9/2011 at 12:22
cool story bro. welcome to the ignore list
Quote Posted by Yakoob
I'm by the Green Park / AIIMs metro station (yellow line), plenty of trees and buildings to shade around. But i'm also coming here after summer, so prolly missed the major heatwave.
The metro was still being built for the games when I was there. Monsoon hit when we left Delhi for
shithole Agra. How long are you there for? Is it for work?
Yakoob on 29/9/2011 at 13:35
In a nutshell, I just finished my master program in North Ireland and have a few really good friends in India (spent 4years in Uni with them) and one of them basically said "come over, chill wiith me, don't buy a return ticket, leave when you get bored." And so I did.
My visa expires in Jan so I'd need t get out of here by then (unless I somehow end up liking India and settling). Right now it's just travel / vacation / visiting old friends / doing part-time web design. There's some other things I wanna do / reasons I came here, but we'll see how it all pans out in the coming months.
Vernon on 29/9/2011 at 14:09
That's incredible. I found travelling around India very difficult but I absolutely adored the place. I can't wait to get back there. Keep us posted on your adventures!
Matthew on 29/9/2011 at 15:21
Ack, I thought you were here to October Yakoob :(
Aerothorn on 29/9/2011 at 17:08
Quote Posted by Shug
I think what you mean is that you produce a deliberate, manipulating falsehood point blank to somebody rarely.
Those "once a year" lies would fill the definition, I think, but they're what others call "white lies," and they're never "deliberate" in the since that I don't deliberate on them - they're a product of social panic.
"Lying to yourself" is an entirely different can of worms, ethically and well as literally, and not at all what I was talking about. As is rationalizing. As is exaggerating. You're equating "lying" with "being less than 100% honest" and that is NOT what a lie is. A lie is what you described in the quote above. Obviously there's nothing wrong with having a larger discussion about dishonesty, but that wasn't the title question.
I'm not putting myself on a pillar here; but I do find it obnoxiously condescending when I state my habits and people say "Oh no, you just don't understand what you do." I do. Really. I keep tabs on myself. I've trained myself to be rude and awkward rather than dishonest (which arguably doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it's different than saying I don't).
Scots Taffer on 29/9/2011 at 22:42
What comes across as condescending here is your attitude towards people who don't share that narrow definition of lying when they first enter into the discussion, a little context helps.
Aerothorn on 29/9/2011 at 23:08
Argh, long answer eaten by accidental back button. Let's try it again, but shorter:
It would be condescending for me to define a commonly-used word for everyone, no? Assuming knowledge is the opposite of condescending.
Let me put it this way: there are a few definitions of lie floating out there. The first is the base, the original: "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood." This is what you'll find on Wikipedia (see previous link). There are then a few different social definitions that spin off from that. The thing is that all of these social definitions are much broader; any untruth (whether intentional or not), or any dishonesty.
But clearly that's not what Vasquez meant. He wouldn't ask "Is anyone here ever dishonest to themselves?" or "Does anyone here ever say things that are untrue?" These would be stupid questions, because the answer would universally be yes. The already-provided context makes it clear that he meant "lie" in the narrower sense. So why would I need to define it again?
This is not "my" narrow definition. This is the pre-existing narrow definition, and the only one that makes sense given the question asked.
