Muzman on 21/10/2011 at 06:31
Dude, the Queen is in the country! We can't have crusty layabouts visible in our streets! What will she think this is? London?
nickie on 21/10/2011 at 06:31
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I'm speechless
So am I! It says the video is not currently available.
nickie on 21/10/2011 at 06:40
Thanks!
Vasquez on 21/10/2011 at 08:34
Um, so what? Isn't that a normal part of police work? If protestors are told to leave by authorities, and they refuse, the police should just shrug and say "Ok, stay then"?
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POLICE have forcibly removed about 100 protesters from Melbourne's city square
after they defied an order to leave.Most of the Occupy Melbourne protesters resisted police and several officers dragged them out of the protest area that had been set up last Saturday.
Doesn't seem to be terribly violent or anything either IMO, just police dragging away people who refuse to move.
Vernon on 21/10/2011 at 09:34
If that's what you actually took away from this, you must be living in a fantasy. Firstly, "told to leave by authorities?" This was (for the most part) a peaceful assembly in the city square. Australian law recognises the right to peaceful assembly. Secondly, what wasn't violent about this??? Would it only have been violent if they were shooting live rounds at them? This is only what has been televised. I have mentioned this before on TTLG, but during the Wikileaks marches last Christmas, I saw my friend's head getting trampled into the ground before being arrested. It seemed pretty fucking violent to me. I sure as shit wouldn't have liked to have been on the receiving end of that treatment. He had grazes all over his face. He was really traumatised by it. That was never televised. Surprising, since he has major learning difficulties and the media could have had a field day with it. There has been plenty going on in these occupy movements world-over that has gone untelevised/undocumented. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
All that said, look at what you are seeing. I'd like to see you standing there getting charged by a bunch of dumb fucking goon police, be grabbed by the head, arms or legs and get dragged along the floor coughing and spluttering, have your head ground into the dirt a few times, spend a night in a cell, then come back here and say you thought it wasn't violent. What
Vasquez on 21/10/2011 at 09:50
Ok, I didn't bother digging out the Australian law or the deeper stuff behind this, only glanced the Herald site.
Yes, live rounds, batons, even fists would be violence. Dragging people who refuse to leave when told by the police might look nasty, but ain't that bad. Also would've been easily avoided if those people just walked away.
Dunno, I guess I'm a bit tired of the police always doing everything wrong and ending up the blame-bucket for every possible shit. If they are told to send those people home, and they go and do their job, it's OMG POLICE BRUTALITY.
But if they said "we won't do it" and for whatever reason that protest escalated to a full-blown riot, with bystanders getting injured and places trashed, it would again be the police's fault: WHY DIDN'T THE POLICE DO ANYTHING BEFORE IT GOT OUT OF HAND?!
:rolleyes:
Vernon on 21/10/2011 at 09:55
I don't disagree with your final sentence - looking at what happened recently in London shows the effects of police intervention rapidity. I just don't think this wasn't violent, and know for a fact that the protesters weren't doing anything illegal. The police removed their badges before hoeing into the protesters. Let that sink in for a while.
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might look nasty, but ain't that bad.
Again, I think you need to think this through. Sure, you could be subject to worse treatment, but this is hardly a standard to which we should aspire, is it?
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Also would've been easily avoided if those people just walked away.
A: they didn't want to walk away, and B: they were under no legal obligation to leave.
Vernon on 21/10/2011 at 10:17
Addendum: plenty of tweets about protesters being punched etc by police. I didn't really think to mention that in the op. Again, this video is the tip of the iceberg.
Other thing. I'm happy to fling as much shit as I like at the riot police thugs.it isn't like I am railing against random breath testing and domestic violence prevention schemes here. To me this looks like illegal police action against legal civilian action.
