zajazd on 28/12/2012 at 15:07
Quote Posted by Brethren
I personally hated Dear Esther, mainly because it's not a game (but also because it's pretentious BS), but this sounds like it might be a little different situation.
No it isn't different, and it's even more pretentious than Dear Esther. Journey is a game where you go from point A to point B to die for two hours. Most of the time you simply have to hold the forward button and occasionally do some jumping and flying - any 5 year old and their 80 year old granny who only played pong in 1973 can complete this game congrats. There is no sense of danger, you can't die. I personally believe Journey is the most overrated game ever made on any platform. It's not even bad at what it is, but I hate how overrated it is and that some people claim that it's one of the best games ever made? Game of the decade? Are they retarded or pretending? When I become oligarch I will destroy every single copy of this evil game, digital or physical.
SubJeff on 28/12/2012 at 15:55
Quote Posted by Brethren
I personally hated Dear Esther, mainly
because it's not a game And I hate you, mainly because you are not a grilled tasty lobster.
HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE?
It isn't a game in the traditional sense but it never sets out to be. It's a relaxing wander on a beautifully rendered island with a voice over that tells a somewhat odd and, dare I say it, intellectual story.
Hating Dear Ester for not being a traditional game is like hating Call of Duty because it isn't a text adventure. Hate it because you hate walking around listening to a story, but not because it does what it says on the tin.
As to zrarajaja - it's clear you don't get the point of Journey and you likely didn't understand it. I'll bet you didn't discover all the secrets in it or the different ways you can interact with your companions. You can't die and that's somehow bad? Ha ha ha. The game isn't about challenges of that nature.
Face it - you're not smart enough to enjoy it. You're like a cow in a library, drooling on the books and upset that they don't taste as nice as grass.
Even my insults will go over your petty little head.
demagogue on 28/12/2012 at 16:19
Quote Posted by Brethren
Haven't tried Passage either - one more for the master list.
Passage is good as a cool little concept. But it's just a step above a flash game in complexity, so it's not the end all-be all that some people claim. But as a cool little concept it's definitely fun & interesting for what it is IMO.
zajazd on 28/12/2012 at 16:29
I like how every time someone trashes an overrated game geniuses like you start claiming you-don't-get-it. Same happened with Dear Esther, same happened with To the Moon. Life and death man, existentialism, it's so deep.
SubJeff on 28/12/2012 at 16:33
See, to me it's interesting and I like it but its certainly not amazing.
I've liked Flow, Flower and Journey. The cloud one by That Game Company didn't work for me though.
There are a lot of games I've liked in my lifetime. Nothing has moved me as much as Shadow of the Colossus or Journey though. Flower got to me on the storm levels - it was positively oppressive and depressing.
catbarf on 28/12/2012 at 16:53
I was surprised by Spec Ops: The Line and Hotline Miami. I didn't read much about them when they came out, but after seeing you guys gush about them on here I figured I'd give em a shot. And having done so I'm really glad for it, because they're both great games.
And despite their vastly different styles, I think they're thematically very similar, both deconstructions of violent gaming and how we enjoy it, without getting overly preachy. They work at face value on a gameplay level, but at the same time there's a lot more to it, and they don't have to sacrifice gameplay for theme or vice versa, which has been my main complaint with a number of similar games.
SubJeff on 28/12/2012 at 16:57
Quote Posted by zajazd
I like how every time someone trashes an overrated game geniuses like you start claiming you-don't-get-it. Same happened with Dear Esther, same happened with To the Moon. Life and death man, existentialism, it's so deep.
I haven't played To The Moon so you can't be addressing me.
And I'll feel free to claim you don't get it when you continue trot out stupidity like "game where you go from point A to point B to die for two hours", "any 5 year old and their 80 year old granny who only played pong in 1973 can complete this game congrats.", "There is no sense of danger, you can't die" as the point of every game is to achieve something other than reaching the end and that danger of death or difficulty have anything to do with the point of this game.
You didn't get it.
zajazd on 28/12/2012 at 17:42
You know what, maybe you're right, maybe I don't get how one can get emotionally attached to a piece of cloth alien being on the screen. I have gotten attached to book and movie characters before but games is something different, they are about fun and there is no fun to be found in Journey. Anyway Journey is not worthy to be discussed so much.
SubJeff on 28/12/2012 at 17:53
Now we get to the crux of it - you think that simply because it is a game it can have no meaning. This is because you do not value your own agency, your own choices, in the same way as you do the choices of the creators of, of the characters in, books and films. And you likely are unable to separate the idea of a "game" with other things you have played. You expect to be thrilled or mystified or whatever by your media but you don't expect to take part it in; you want it fed to you.
There is no alien piece of cloth in Journey that you get emotionally attached to, there is a character that serves the exact purpose you need for that game.
Have you ever read a book that had an unreliable narrator? What is the "weirdest" film you've liked and why?
zajazd on 28/12/2012 at 18:53
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
You expect to be thrilled or mystified or whatever by your media but you don't expect to take part in it; you want it fed to you.
No. Just because I didn't want to take part in Journey doesn't mean I want to be spoon fed in games.
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Have you ever read a book that had an unreliable narrator? What is the "weirdest" film you've liked and why?
I'm not sure about books. 1984 probably had that. Weirdest movies that I love would be brazil, dead man, 2001, gattaca, the machinist, the assassination of richard nixon, american psycho, the prestige, eraserhead... (j/k I hated eraserhead). Is that satisfactory for you?
