Zygoptera on 11/6/2007 at 21:56

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I think most people who are negative are being so because they don't think Beth will make a 'worthy' successor to a game they very much enjoyed- they are entitled to that opinion, but until the game is released or there is a lot more information out there it is just their opinion. And really, there's as little information indicating it will be great as indicating it will be trash...


Because what this thread really need is a long winded discussion of TB/PB/RT which is what these things always seem to devolve into. Gentle reader, you may wish to skip the next paragraph...

If you go to some places (ie the Codex) they will describe the BG/ KOTOR system as phase based. They are, of course, idiots. The basis of something being turn based is that any given action takes a specific proportion of an arbitrary 'round' and is defined primarily by this rather than an occurence in real time- that's a definition from the 'original' turn based games, table top wargames. In games based on 'Real time' implementations of D&D (ie BG/Kotor) this still occurs- you can cast a spell per round (or for high level ones per several rounds), attack or use a skill/feat. All these actions take multiples of six seconds to perform, however, and cannot occur simultaneously- they are in fact still turn based despite appearing to be in real time. In contrast, for the 'true' real time game how long an action takes is based on the action itself and can theoretically take any amount of time to perform- in BG a lock will always take six seconds to (try to) pick, it will always take 4AP in fallout whereas in a real time game a lock could take effectively no time at all to minutes. Same with weapons. In a fps how often you can fire is determined by the weapon stats and how rapidly you can click the mouse. In a turn based game firing a given weapon takes a certain proportion of a round.

My personal preference would be for a JA2 like system of TB for Fallout 3 (though it seems highly unlikely to happen) with interupts far better implemented than FOT and 'overflow' action points to stop some of the extremely gamey exploits of the previous system, as if F3 were real time I cannot see how things like skill based locational damage could be satifactorily implemented. If they come up with a decent FP system which retains RPG character rather than the Oblivion style fps character I would be fine with it.

Zygoptera on 12/6/2007 at 01:39

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It's a 2:12 teaser which gives very little concrete information about anything. As such there's only so much which can be said about it- it's pretty good for what it is, it is at least promising, while the negative is that it is a bit derivative and doesn't give much away gameplay wise. Apart from peripherals like Perlman and the Ink Spots what else is there to say?

YMMV, of course.

Shakey-Lo on 12/6/2007 at 02:12

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You forgot to mention the important bit, which is that the trailer was not turn-based.

Malygris on 12/6/2007 at 03:17

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i'll turn-based you

Sulphur on 12/6/2007 at 08:57

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ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US