Matthew on 8/7/2008 at 11:37
No, it's because the best thief is one who specialises in heavy armour or whatever. Odd but true.
Phatose on 8/7/2008 at 13:12
Quote Posted by denisv
Your rant only applies to Oblivion.
Portions of it. While the leveled world applies only to oblivion, the ass backwards stat gaining scheme also applies to Morrowind. Same practical upshot - the player not playing his class does better.
denisv on 8/7/2008 at 14:43
Quote Posted by Phatose
Portions of it. While the leveled world applies only to oblivion, the ass backwards stat gaining scheme also applies to Morrowind. Same practical upshot - the player not playing his class does better.
Yeah, you can cheat the system in Morrowind and "powerlevel" and be a god at level 1, but there's not much point since monsters are just barely leveled and the game is pitifully easy anyway.
I'd say ES's leveling is probably the most reasonable of any RPG. It's not perfect, but advancing in skills you actually use and skill-driving level advancement is much better than the D&Dish way where you gain levels by killing things and then allocate points to skills you may not even have used.
DarkDragon on 8/7/2008 at 15:40
I never played Fallout 1 or 2 but I did try the old Fallout 3 Tech Demo for about 5 minutes and seemed pretty cool.
I will be buying the new Fallout 3 when it comes out. I'd prefer to buy the 1st 2 games and play them first but well..you know ebay, its snipers 'r' us when it comes to old games, especially if they're in good condition :grr:. Plus when the 3rd is released, itll just send the prices even higher.
Rogue Keeper on 8/7/2008 at 16:15
Quote Posted by DarkDragon
I never played Fallout 1 or 2 but I did try the old Fallout 3 Tech Demo for about 5 minutes and seemed pretty cool.
I will be buying the new Fallout 3 when it comes out. I'd prefer to buy the 1st 2 games and play them first but well..you know ebay, its snipers 'r' us when it comes to old games, especially if they're in good condition :grr:. Plus when the 3rd is released, itll just send the prices even higher.
Man, you are the ideal target audience. Nothing wrong with it, nono, but just consider - you have no bias emerging from nostalgic experiences. You have no prejudices against this game in development. And because of this, perhaps you'll be able to enjoy it and judge it with clean head better than old fans, regardless of whether the game turns out to be good or not so good. We shall make an experiment if you agree - forget about 1 and 2 for now, play 3 first thoroughly, then tell us your impressions.
Because you're... err, how to call it... so beautifully INNOCENT! Clean specimen for the Vats. :p
mrle01 on 8/7/2008 at 17:19
Quote Posted by denisv
I'd say ES's leveling is probably the most reasonable of any RPG. It's not perfect, but advancing in skills you actually use and skill-driving level advancement...
I have played only Morrowind out of all ES games, but couldn't you buy skills you wanted from NPC's? That, alongside level scaling and no dialogs, was my biggest complaint about Morrowind (and I hear other ES games aren't any better).
Phatose on 8/7/2008 at 18:19
You could train a finite number per level.
None of which excuses the stat gain problem, where you gain better stats by using minor skills heavily, thus resulting in a situation, where, again, you're better off declaring your class as being something other then what you actually intend to do.
