foldy on 3/5/2007 at 18:07
War (among Fallout fans). War (among Fallout fans) never changes.
Tulsidas on 3/5/2007 at 19:04
Thief 3/Alexander Brandon (Remember ?) = Fallout 3/Jeremy Soule.
The reason Fallout fans are cynical is for the first tidbit you show of the game you show stuff that isn't especially of the series. Soule makes fantastic music but the music there is completely inappropriate and utterly misses the mark for the atmosphere and theme of the Fallout. It's a good piece of music applied to the wrong setting. It's a bold statement that they obviously made on purpose. There are so many ways they could have made this site in the same vein of Fallout (like just having a bit of old radio crackle for the sound) but they made it very grand, romantic, epic and befitting of great legends! To be fair, though, they did say "we will do what we do best".:p
The demo makes me wish they'd finished it. It's actually very depressing putting myself through something i know isn't going to be finished like that. Black Isles was on to something beautiful here.
foldy on 3/5/2007 at 20:12
I'm not touching that demo. I just don't see a point. Everyone who tries it comes away depressed.
Aerothorn on 4/5/2007 at 03:06
I totally agree with the "don't jump on Bethesda, give them a chance" mentality - we can't offer them constructive criticism when there is nothing to criticize.
Though unfortunately, it will be so far along in the development process byt the time it shows that taking feedback is unlikely to happen.
That said, when the first thing they reveal of the game is completely inappropiate music, that's sad.
As noted above, Soule is a good musician. But his music is designed around fantastic views, uplifting vista, massive armies smashing together in the field of battle - 'epic' stuff. Fallout was not epic. You cover a lot of ground and do a lot of stuff, but it's the opposite of epic - it's personal. Small quests, mostly small matters, few people in desolate environments. Sweeping orchestral scores do not belong in a dilapidated bar serving gecko piss.
I hope that either
A. That music is just theme song bullshit and not at all representative of the game, or that
B. The rest of the game is more Fallouty than the music.
I'm totally for Bethesda taking it in new directions, trying new things. But if they want to make it just like the Elder Scrolls games, then they should make it an original, Elder-Scrolls style game - not take a license and remove everything that makes it what it is.
I'm still willing to give them a chance - but I fear that it will end up being Oblivion with guns and deserts. Which is what a lot of people want - the people who have played Oblivion outnumber the remaining Fallout fans but a good margin, I think.
Renzatic on 4/5/2007 at 03:29
"Title track" is pretty vague to me. It could be the opening theme to the game, or it could just be the title track for the teaser site. Either way, I'm not too concerned about it. Fallout had it's own occasional epic music pieces, and using an epic piece is a good thing to slap on a teaser site if draw attention from people that have never heard of Fallout before. Just because they're using something a little bombastic here doesn't mean they're ditching the creepy electronic ambient soundtrack altogether.
If anything, my biggest concern is how Bethesda is gonna do NPC interaction. The ES series (or at least MW and Oblivion) might've been fun and all, but dialog and NPCs were a bit lacking in comparison to some other PC RPGs. If they can pull that off, then they have at least half of a good FO game.
Tulsidas on 4/5/2007 at 03:53
@Aerothorn: Agreed on all counts.:) But i wish Bethesda had a level of interaction with Fallout fans as genial as that Irrational has with Shock fans. For all this *deep* shooter marketing bullshit, i keep telling myself that there is a tacit understanding between Irrational and the fans that BioShock is, indeed, System Shock 3, but for the name. Bethesda, however, with statements like "we will do what we do best" doesn't infuse me with as much confidence, i'm afraid. All the same, here's wishing all the best for Bethesda's Fallout 3.
Gestalt on 4/5/2007 at 07:23
Quote Posted by Tulsidas
But i wish Bethesda had a level of interaction with Fallout fans as genial as that Irrational has with Shock fans.
Given the attitude of much of the existing Fallout fanbase (NMA, etc.), I don't think that would be possible or advisable. At best you'd maybe get a candid post from one of the devs followed by a bunch of idiots telling him/her to commit suicide.
The Irrational thing works because there's respect on both sides. That doesn't seem to be the case with Fallout.
Rogue Keeper on 4/5/2007 at 07:46
Quote Posted by Tulsidas
Oh, and just as i consequentially did in Thief?
No. In F1 you were expected to stop the Master and his army of Supermutants. In F2 you were expected to destroy the Enclave and their plans for world-wide genocide of the mutated population. Remember ?
If somebody dislikes the music, he could do himself and everyone a favor, buy rights for another Ink Spots vintage evergreen and offer it to Beth so they can put it on the teaser site for common peace of heart. This fuss about little piece of music is just ridiculous.
Zygoptera on 4/5/2007 at 08:39
Quote Posted by Gestalt
The Irrational thing works because there's respect on both sides. That doesn't seem to be the case with Fallout.
Much as I tend to abhor the more loony side of fallout fanboyism, Bethesda haven't yet done anything to
earn any respect, either from the hardcore or the more casual fans.
Vigil on 4/5/2007 at 08:54
And neither have the Fallout fans done anything to earn any respect from anybody, let alone Bethesda. Which is why we have threads that amount to cooking sausages over the radioactive hellhole of the NME forums.
