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vurt on 29/7/2007 at 14:24

Quote Posted by DaveW

I found Boiling Point more entertaining than Stalker actually. I feel dirty.

I agree.. I've acctually bought STALKER but i could never get into it, it felt so restricted and cramped, especially if you have played games like Boling Point, Morrowind or GTA.. And there's not even vehicles :tsktsk: very disapointing.

D'Arcy on 30/7/2007 at 12:10

Stalker is a lot more complex than BP. And a lot, lot better too.

kidmystik101 on 30/7/2007 at 12:17

Quote Posted by D'Arcy

Stalker is a lot more complex than BP. And a lot, lot better too.

This.

mothra on 30/7/2007 at 14:43

Quote Posted by D'Arcy

Stalker is a lot more complex than BP. And a lot, lot better too.

QFT

DaveW on 30/7/2007 at 17:59

Quote Posted by D'Arcy

Stalker is a lot more complex than BP. And a lot, lot better too.

If you were responding to Vurt, he said that Stalker was too restrictive, which would most likely relate to it being more complex. Boiling Point seemed more freeform to me. And I disagree that Stalker is better, I prefer Boiling Point a lot, lot more simply because it has vehicles and I prefer the gameplay systems like the inventory over Stalker's.

vurt on 30/7/2007 at 18:51

Didnt know it was a contest which game is the most complex. Galactic Civilizations 2 is a lot more complex than STALKER, so I guess it means it's a lot better? Meh :rolleyes:

Im more of the explorer kind-of-guy therefore i think i prefered Boiling Point over STALKER (where exploring was very, very uninteresting and dull). I can even stand lousy combat or a mediocre story as long as the exploring is fun.

D'Arcy on 30/7/2007 at 23:12

If you want vehicles in the game, you can have them. All you have to do is to install a mod that unlocks them (they were supposed to be in the game, but were removed at the last minute). Although I don't see what exactly vehicles would add to the game. Vehicles make sense in BP because the map is HUGE, and you spend 80% of your time travelling around from one point to the next, with the added excitement that almost nothing happens during the whole travel, unless of course you find it interesting to stop over and over at the exact same spots where the exact same factions are fighting each other, and kill a few NPCs. Oh, and if you leave the place and return to it some thirty seconds later, the exact same NPCs will be there as before, doing exactly the same as before. It got so annoying that at a certain point I'd prefer using a taxi, because that way you can travel instantly to a location. Even with vehicles in BP, I'd spend more time travelling than in Stalker, where I can only walk or run. To me BP was a project with the best of intentions that went terribly wrong. In the end it's not a terrible game, but when I'm playing it, it somehow gives me the feeling that it was designed with the express purpose of annoying the person playing it.

Stalker isn't better just because it is more complex. There are just so many things that make it a better game than BP that it would take me the whole evening to describe them. The most important one being immersion. Stalker manages to create an ambient that you never get in BP, especially with all the 'cartoony' graphics, the ridiculous NPCs (who are so stereotyped that they all seem to have come out of a movie like Woody Allen's 'Bananas') and their inane dialogs, and the annoying and repetitive background music playing over, and over, and over again. And don't even get me started on the AI (I particularly appreciate it when you're driving around and for some reason the NPCs go berserk and start running around like headless chickens, eventually being ran over by your car, which automatically makes you an enemy of the group they belong to). If you look around for any reviews of both games, I doubt that you'll find a single one giving BP a better evaluation than Stalker's. In fact, I believe BP was almost unanimously ripped apart. I'm fairly certain of one thing though: if you say that exploring in Stalker is 'uninteresting and dull', then I seriously doubt that you actually played the game long enough to even get close of finding out what exploring is.

driver on 30/7/2007 at 23:46

I really liked Boiling Point, I played it for hours, but Stalker beats it in almost every way. The only thing I can think of that BP has that Stalker would benefit from is skills. It feels a bit lacking that your accuracy (Among other things) is mostly determined by what weapon you're using.

I don't think vehicles would add anything to Stalker, the areas are too small for them to be of much use, and some places are far too clostrophobic for them to be used at all. Besides, I found you get a much better feel for the world (Which is far more lush, detailed and diverse than BP's copy & paste approach) if you're on foot, not just zipping by it in a car.

Angel Dust on 31/7/2007 at 00:50

Quote Posted by driver

I don't think vehicles would add anything to Stalker, the areas are too small for them to be of much use, and some places are far too clostrophobic for them to be used at all. Besides, I found you get a much better feel for the world (Which is far more lush, detailed and diverse than BP's copy & paste approach) if you're on foot, not just zipping by it in a car.

Vehicles could have added more to STALKER but obviously when they cut them out they changed the maps also or removed areas where they may have played a larger part.

DaveW on 31/7/2007 at 01:05

Vehicles in Stalker wouldn't work without combining all the maps, which the mod doesn't do. And vehicles are just plain fun, flying planes and helicopters and driving boats around is one of the best things about Boiling Point - and then you have the added bonus of having cool ground environments so you can go exploring like you do in Stalker, too. Except it's more fun because the environment isn't so boring. (Hey look, I can express my opinions as statements too)

Frankly I didn't find Stalker any more immersive than Boiling Point. The music's repetetive, but it's not rubbish. The graphics are nice (I don't understand your 'cartoony' comment). Also the AI running into cars was fixed in the patch. As for reviews - well, whenever were reviews used to guage how good games are? And as for "Ripped apart":
(http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/boilingpointroadtohell?q=boiling%20point) MetaCritic page
61 from reviewers is by no means good, but it's hardly "ripped apart". And users give it a 7.7 out of 10, so that isn't "ripped apart" either.
And the point is I shouldn't need to play Stalker for a long time to appreciate exploring. I didn't need to for Boiling Point. For the record, though, I didn't get that far in Stalker because I just got bored of it.