Koki on 25/2/2012 at 21:43
A ditch that is on fire
Jason Moyer on 25/2/2012 at 22:32
Quote Posted by Harvester
Ahh electronic music elitism again. Is there some sort of law that says you're only allowed to like up to 3 extremely specific subgenres of electronic music, with the corollary that once your genre becomes popular, you have to start hating it?
though if speedcore or noisecore ever becomes popular and is featured in every trailer, i'm piercing my eardrums.
No, actually, I hate genre-ism. Every kind of music ever has basically a half-dozen artists who are amazing and then thousands who are shit. Electronic music is especially prone to this since everyone and their mother is using pirated softsynths and DSP for everything. Even within genres, the best artists tend to be the ones that are difficult to pigeonhole, while everything else is "use this BPM with this softsynth/editor and samples of this drum machine". You can't really stuff someone like Tom Jenkinson or Jan St Werner into a genre without stretching the idea of a genre beyond reason.
SubJeff on 25/2/2012 at 22:46
Quote Posted by dethtoll
And that place is a ditch somewhere.
Other persons opinion objectively wrong itt. Who knew?
june gloom on 26/2/2012 at 01:48
You didn't used to be this lazy. "Oh, you strongly disagree, you must think your opinion is fact! who wants to see me piledrive this bottle of mountain dew"
Seriously, don't be such a fucking knob. So I don't like dubstep. You know what that means? It means that I FUCKING DON'T LIKE DUBSTEP. I'm not apdento, I don't try to force my opinion as fact.
Get over yourself.
SubJeff on 26/2/2012 at 01:52
Why do you go on and on about it then? You may not like hearing this, but you do come across like him sometimes.
june gloom on 26/2/2012 at 01:59
So what you're suggesting is that during a discussion of dubstep, if I want to say I dislike dubstep, I should say it ONCE -- or preferably not at all -- then take my righteous drubbings because I'm a big fun-hating stupidhead, and leave the thread forever because my opinion doesn't matter?
Because that's pretty much what you're saying.
faetal on 26/2/2012 at 02:21
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
No, actually, I hate genre-ism. Every kind of music ever has basically a half-dozen artists who are amazing and then thousands who are shit. Electronic music is especially prone to this since everyone and their mother is using pirated softsynths and DSP for everything. Even within genres, the best artists tend to be the ones that are difficult to pigeonhole, while everything else is "use this BPM with this softsynth/editor and samples of this drum machine". You can't really stuff someone like Tom Jenkinson or Jan St Werner into a genre without stretching the idea of a genre beyond reason.
This. This. A thousand times this.
Good example is how I adore NIN, but can't stand most industrial. Love The Cure but hate goth. Love Depeche Mode, indifferent to synthpop. Love Bowie, don't care for glam et fucking cetera.
Muzman on 26/2/2012 at 04:38
The problem we've got here, to me, is the systematic elimination of all popular dance-electronica as being any good, by some folks at least. I'm left wondering what else is supposed to go there if House, Rave, Trance, Techno, D n B/Jungle, Break Beat, Big Beat (presumably) Clubstep et al are all shit or hipster or something.
You couldn't find a bigger fan of cool, introspective noodly experimental stuff stuff than me (which, as mentioned, the vast bulk of Dubstep actually is). But it's never going to be exciting in the same way, now is it. The IDM etc experimental types quite often sprang from those various scenes too.
june gloom on 26/2/2012 at 05:53
See, it's not a problem of "popular" electronic music being shit though. The problem is that dubstep is simply the logical conclusion of what's happened to electronic music since the Eurodance years. Dubstep is boring at best; offensive and unlistenable at worst. For years, the argument against electronic music of any stripe was that it was repetitive; I would argue that's largely the point, and indeed I can't think of
any kind of music that isn't repetitive on some level. Dubstep, however, takes this to cartoonish new heights; most of it's simply a beat with some drops following an interminable intro. Drops are like breakdowns in metal -- they're the lens flares of their particular music genre, and should be used sparingly.
At the risk of tripping the Fogey Alert, I miss the days when (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gRNMddCDk) electronica wasn't considered "safe" to listen to. This was nasty and aggressive, the kind you'd put a cyberpunk movie to. 80s cyberpunk, the kind Evabot hates.
BlueSpiral on 26/2/2012 at 06:02
I just thought dubstep was the sound Transformers make when they love each other very much...
