june gloom on 26/2/2012 at 18:25
It's too bad I missed out on Godflesh when they were extant. :(
On the plus side, their breakup prompted Jesu, and now they're back together again!
faetal on 26/2/2012 at 19:41
Quote Posted by Boxsmith
I'm curious, what industrial music have you heard and hated? Industrial isn't really the genre you should be looking at if you're into NIN -- lumping Reznor in with the likes of Throbbing Gristle is all kinds of silly.
Front 242, Gravity Kills, etc... I never thought of NIN as industrial either, but at least in the UK, they get lumped in with a whole load of tat. I've always thought of NIN as very dark, heavy pop music.
Jason Moyer on 26/2/2012 at 22:34
Quote Posted by Boxsmith
I'm curious, what industrial music have you heard and hated? Industrial isn't really the genre you should be looking at if you're into NIN -- lumping Reznor in with the likes of Throbbing Gristle is all kinds of silly.
Lumping what most people have been calling industrial for the last 20 years with Throbbing Gristle or Cabaret Volatire or Einstuerzende Neubauten is also silly.
And yes, Deth, Godflesh were fab.
Boxsmith on 27/2/2012 at 02:26
Quote Posted by faetal
Front 242, Gravity Kills, etc... I never thought of NIN as industrial either, but at least in the UK, they get lumped in with a whole load of tat. I've always thought of NIN as very dark, heavy pop music.
Front 242 wouldn't be the right direction for you at all, no. :p It's excellent EBM, but obviously nothing like NIN. That you don't like Gravity Kills is pretty damn surprising, though. I admit I haven't heard much, but I was under the impression that it's the kind of thing that should be right up your alley as a NIN fan.
Jason Moyer on 27/2/2012 at 04:38
The difference between NIN (at least Vrenna-era NIN) and Gravity Kills is that NIN more or less defined post-industrial rock and Gravity Kills were genre-farmers riding Reznor's coattails. That, and regardless of their creative originality, they were terrible.
For similar reasons, Front 242 were fantastic and EBM as a genre is horrible. There's a difference between musicians just making the music they want to and getting thrown into a genre and people making genre-ized music.
PigLick on 27/2/2012 at 12:57
some people need to listen to some Nitzer Ebb up in this
SubJeff on 27/2/2012 at 14:27
I should be into this but I don't like them. I do like one Front242 track though. The one about hunting and selling a man. Nothing else really.
Where are we classing Skinny Puppy these days?
faetal on 27/2/2012 at 16:24
Quote Posted by Boxsmith
Front 242 wouldn't be the right direction for you at all, no. :p It's excellent EBM, but obviously nothing like NIN. That you don't like Gravity Kills is pretty damn surprising, though. I admit I haven't heard much, but I was under the impression that it's the kind of thing that should be right up your alley as a NIN fan.
NIN = subtle, yet brutal, but often beautifully fragile (no pun intended) soundscapes crafted intelligently around compelling songwriting by a classically trained pianist / production virtuoso
Gravity Kills = Guitar driven industrial by numbers. Sonically similar to some of what NIN does, but lacking all of the depth and finesse and I can't remember how a single song of theirs goes.
I don't like a style of music, or a genre, I like well written music. I even think the notion of liking genres a bit strange, as it kind of assumes that I don't care about the specific content rather than the broad strokes. I didn't mind Frontline Assembly (though I find the production too grating these days) or Stabbing Westward (to a small extent), but qualitatively, none of them have a fraction of the sheer talent Reznor has in terms of writing and producing.
I know F242 well, I just don't like them, I find their structuring just a bit too ham-fisted - they don't sound deliberate enough for my tastes. Skinny Puppy are ok, though I preferred OhGr as they were a little more refined to my ear. Still not massive fans though. One thing which Reznor provides is melodic vocals with a bit more depth than just "scream during the chorus, show them how angry you are". Nitzer Ebb I can take or leave. While we're on the genre, I should mention that the last gig I played was as a support act for KMFDM late last year.
PigLick on 27/2/2012 at 16:39
well the last gig I played was a support act for the frontmans drug habit
faetal on 27/2/2012 at 16:47
I should probably mention that I'm not really into KMFDM either. So selling tickets under the guise of them being unmissable took a bit of theatrical license.
