june gloom on 27/7/2009 at 04:20
What?
Koki on 27/7/2009 at 05:47
Phatosebomb!
Yakoob on 27/7/2009 at 06:23
this thread is the reason for the "goddamit dethtoll" tag's existence.
june gloom on 27/7/2009 at 06:26
You're still here?
Koki on 27/7/2009 at 08:41
We're all here.
With you.
Taffer36 on 27/7/2009 at 09:05
Quote Posted by dethtoll
I'm not the one complaining that a style that departs from the standard from the Real Is Brown, Darker and Edgier, etc. etc. is somehow less interesting.
Exactly, guys.
Any game with an art direction that is not "gritty" is immediately interesting and you cannot dislike it.
It's so simple.
SubJeff on 27/7/2009 at 10:38
Quote Posted by Ostriig
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? The new art direction appeals to him less than the old one. He never actually said it would make the game
universally shit, just that it would be less likely for him to be interested in it, nor did he make any comments on "originality". Give it a fucking rest.
Come on now, catbarf
is implying that the new art style has diminished his prediction of
how the game will play.
THAT is what is so stupid.
If you had completely different models for TF2 would it change the gameplay? No. Yet we have this from catbarf:
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I care about what the art, and more importantly the interface, says about the game
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The game's art and interface are as much part of the style as the gameplay. I find it extremely unlikely that the game will have an atmospheric, moody style
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But I'm taking a guess from what I've seen (comically oversized muscly men, silly font) that it's not going to be a dark and atmospheric game. I may well be proven wrong. But I'm not getting my hopes up
because it looks to me like there's the distinct possibility that it may be a cartoony fragfest.All of which suggest that he thinks that the flip to the cel shaded art means the game has changed in other ways.
nicked on 27/7/2009 at 12:40
He wasn't talking about gameplay, he was talking about atmosphere. And on that front, he's right. Imagine if Thief 4 came out and had exactly the same gameplay, but was cel-shaded and had massive spiky shapes with "BOFF!" written in them popping up whenever you blackjacked someone. I know I'd be underwhelmed to say the least.
SubJeff on 27/7/2009 at 12:57
I think that would be bad for a sequel, yes. But for a new game which no one has played its a bit odd to be looking forward to it then go "oh, art has changed no thanks".
Art is very important though. Something like ZenoClash wouldn't be ZenoClash with different art. Snap with Thief. But this is all in retrospect. I suppose I'm of this opinion (about Borderlands) because I thought the original graphics were a bit bland. Run of the mill grim grey brown. At least it has some style to it now. May still be rubbish, but better looking rubbish.
Edit: Actually if Thief 4 was like that but was done with some panache that retained the dark atmosphere I'd be fine with it. Heck, it could be awesome.
catbarf on 28/7/2009 at 00:48
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
All of which suggest that he thinks that the flip to the cel shaded art means the game has changed in other ways.
I expect art to be indicative of the game's style and atmosphere. The style looks less ambient and gritty and more in-your-face action. I know nothing whatsoever of the gameplay, but I'm not fond of the style shown in the trailer.
You can make a dark game using cel-shaded graphics, as per your edit- but dark and stylized is not the same as dark and realistic, and the atmosphere's significantly different.
