Muzman on 23/4/2013 at 15:32
Dude you can't spin exciting conspiratorial narratives with measured, reasonable and well researched commentary! What world do you think this is?
Specter on 23/4/2013 at 15:40
Quote Posted by Muzman
Dude you can't spin exciting conspiratorial narratives with measured, reasonable and well researched commentary! What world do you think this is?
Oops, that's my bad! Is it too late to say it was an inside job designed to steal away more civil liberties?
Yakoob on 24/4/2013 at 03:19
Quote Posted by Dia
And yet they stayed here, lived in the U.S., furthered their education, and because it's a democracy enjoyed the freedom everyone else here enjoys (okay - I know our freedom and rights are being steadily infringed upon ever since 9/11, but that's a whole other can of worms and you get my point) and the younger brother even went as far as becoming a U.S. citizen. This is one of those things that makes me nuts.
Well a lot of them may recognize that their quality of life and education may be higher in the US but still disagree with US's policies in general, especially when it comes to its often questionable foreign policy. Coming and living here does not contradict them disliking the US; it kinda even makes sense to "milk" your enemy for your own benefit before you destroy them (doesn't that just sound oh so more evil?) And even if the US is better than living "back home," it doesn't mean that US is better, that just mean their home sucks, and maybe they just hope it didn't cause they "love their homeland" etc.
I'm not excusing or justifying terrorism or anything, just explaining the logic behind it and that you can live in the US and hate it at the same time.
Dia on 24/4/2013 at 04:23
I understand your point Yakoob. I'm sure there are many of us who've hated our government at one time or another; but we didn't go around blowing up innocent people because of it. I can understand how some might think they're 'putting one over' on our country by living here and 'milking' it while at the same time planning to destroy as many Americans as they can. You're right, it does sound evil. I can't wrap my brain around the fact that there are some who can justify killing innocent people because of their religion or their hatred for a government. (Hell, I can't wrap my brain around the fact that there are people who kill innocents just because they want to kill.) It's just so very hypocritical that people like the Tsarnaev brothers despise our country, yet they sure as hell took advantage of what it had to offer, didn't they? I'm beginning to think we're way too trusting here in the States.
I can't get the picture out of my mind of the younger Tsarnaev smiling after he'd set his backpack down. At the time the picture was taken (or screenshot from a video?) D. Tsarnaev was standing almost directly behind the little boy he killed. How can someone do something so soulless? But then again, the younger brother ran over his older brother while trying to escape and dragged his older brother's body 30 feet with the car he was driving. Says a lot, doesn't it.
Shayde on 24/4/2013 at 04:58
Conspiracy theory fun, now with pics.
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http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU) http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU
warning: some are a bit graphic
Gryzemuis on 24/4/2013 at 12:41
Thanks for that link, Shayde.
When the boy's aunt was interviewed, she immediately said that she thought the boys were set up. When asked "by who, why ?", she replied "think about it. by the people who benefit from this". I had to laugh. The Russians are known for their conspiracy theories. Anything that happens in Russia, a lot of people are gonna say "that was no coincidence". And probably rightly so, after so many decades of Stalinism, Communism and the KGB. I thought it was a typical Russian response.
But some of those pictures do raise questions. What were those "punisher"-guys doing there with a whole team ? The backpacks do in fact not match colors. There were hardly any pictures of the manhunt itself. Is that really a picture of the older brother being arrested, unharmed ? I guess in the end it is all red herrings. But right now, I can understand people being suspicious.
The whole attack seemed weird. I can understand Tamerlan doing this on his own (with just his smaller brother). But what did he try to accomplish ? If he blew up politicians, or blew up US military people, I can understand why. But blowing up civilians ? And why did no one claim the bombings ? And why did they not have an escape plan ? With that white cap on Dzhokhar's head, they were even easier to spot. Did they really think they would not be filmed or photographed ? Why did they suddenly go on a killing spree on Friday, attracting more attention to themselves ? Either they were really really dumb, or something weird is going on.
On the other hand, why would para-military forces want to stage this bombing ? One of the people in your link says the bombing happened to make it easier to pass more gun-laws. That would be contradictory to what para-military groups want. And also, why would those 2 kids have so many guns and explosives ? They didn't have money for a proper escape, but they did own boatloads of guns ?
Anyway, I'm keeping my eyes open. These kinds of theories are always fun. :)
DDL on 24/4/2013 at 12:57
I like the idea that a covert paramilitary group would try to do this while wearing paramilitary group-branded outfits.
faetal on 24/4/2013 at 13:23
Well that's OBVIOUS. They wore the branded caps precisely so that people would assume that it's a hoax because no one would wear their own caps for something like this.
Double bluff.
New world order man.
Jason Moyer on 24/4/2013 at 15:35
Quote Posted by LittleFlower
Is that really a picture of the older brother being arrested, unharmed ?
I don't know if that picture is legitimate, but supposedly the older brother was rushing the police, ran out of ammo, and was tackled by an officer. As he was being cuffed, the younger brother drove over him, which is what led to his fatal injuries.
