Yakoob on 6/4/2011 at 14:05
Dear TTLG members, friends, family and Dethtoll,
I have purchased the ID doom pack on steam over the xmas sale and only now gotten around to download it. Therein, besides Doom 3, there's some older titles. Namely, Ultimate Doom, Final Doom, Master Levels for Doom 2 and Doom 2: Hell on Earth. Never being a big fan of doom, I'm rather puzzled at the myriad of choices and wondering - what is the "proper" way to play all these. I.E. which one contains what and comes before what? I know it's doom so in the end it really doesn't matter (and I probably wont get too far into it; never been a big fan, and only got the pack for D3 really), but I figured I might use the wealth of TTLG's knowledge to edumucate myself a bit here on some Important Gaming History™. So, please informize me!
Hugs and Kisses,
Yakoob
Matthew on 6/4/2011 at 14:09
I think it goes:
Ultimate Doom (reworking of Doom 1, with an extra episode)
Doom II
Final Doom (standalone based on the D2 engine)
Master Levels
Doom 3
Volitions Advocate on 6/4/2011 at 15:09
He's got the order right, although I never played the master levels.
Step one. go to your steamapps/common folder and copy the .wad files into a new location you can get to.
Step two: (
http://www.osnanet.de/c.oelckers/gzdoom/index.html) <--- download
Step three: make a new installation of GZdoom for each version of doom you're playing.
Step four: you can delete the games from steam, because playing with a source port is far better than playing with dosbox.
Wormrat on 6/4/2011 at 16:29
Quote Posted by Volitions Advocate
Step three: make a new installation of GZdoom for each version of doom you're playing.
Wait, what? Why do you need to do that? Just stick all the wad files in the folder with gzdoom.exe. When you run GZDoom it'll ask you which one you want to load.
Also, although GZDoom is my favorite source port, first-time players should know that added features like the ability to jump can let you get items early and take shortcuts that weren't intended by the level designers. I'm not so hardcore as to tell people to throw away their mouselook and only play in a 320x200 resolution, but stuff like that is something to keep in mind.
Volitions Advocate on 6/4/2011 at 18:00
using different installs makes things easier when dealing with your .wads. both zDoom and GZdoom have a checkbox to load your favorite wad at startup without prompting for it. which can be a pain if you have a folder full of them.
Plus if you have different keybinds and different graphics settings you like for different games, it helps keep them all separate.
It's like having separate install of Aleph One for each marathon game. I'm not the only person that does this am I?
Nameless Voice on 6/4/2011 at 18:26
You can, thankfully, turn off rubbish like jump and mouselook in GZDoom, too. ;)
Harvester on 6/4/2011 at 23:03
Turn off jump, definitely. But why turn off mouselook? IMO it makes a good game even better and more fun to play.
Anyway, I myself loved Doom 1 but not the extra episode (Thy Flesh Consumed), I also loved Doom 2, and of Final Doom I mainly liked TNT: Evilution but not Plutonia Experiment. Never played the Master Levels, I don't even know what they are, really.
Nameless Voice on 7/4/2011 at 00:16
Note the smiley!
Though I was being partly serious. Playing the original Doom with mouselook just isn't the same. That's entirely based on nostalgia, however. If you didn't play Doom with the keyboard back in the day, then there's no reason not to use mouselook now.
june gloom on 7/4/2011 at 00:46
I played Doom with keyboard back in the day, going back to the freaking spring of 1994. Fuck using the keys to look around. Mlook all the way, baby. Why restrict yourself on the basis of chasing some elusive feeling that will never ever be satisfied and in the end doesn't matter anyway?
Renzatic on 7/4/2011 at 01:31
What Deth said. I didn't start using mouselook til I got into Unreal in 2000. Before then, I was a straight up master with the keyboard. I could haul through Doom no problem, and could twist, rotate, and pan in Descent like no other. I didn't even consider the mouse back then.
Now I'm playing through the Ultimate T & T wad for Doom 2, and I'm definitely using the mouse for aiming and turning. Why? Because it's so much better, and it doesn't even put a dent in the whole nostalgic experience thing.
So if you've got a mouse, and you're good at using it, then use it.
