Vivian on 21/6/2016 at 10:50
STOP TELLING ME WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. Seriously, you realise if you do that you're literally just arguing with yourself? It turns a debate into an angry wank.
Point-counterpoint: (
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/17/more-than-300-senior-public-officials-paid-more-david-cameron)
Turns out lots of people are better paid than David Cameron. 80k net is a good pay grade, but it sounds like it's the low end of standard for operation at that level? It's not exactly Sir Phillip Green levels of embezzlement, is it?
dickturpin23 on 21/6/2016 at 11:04
10,000 vs 300. How many of those 10,000 are actually necessary I wonder...
caffeinatedzombeh on 21/6/2016 at 11:15
Quote Posted by Vivian
These guys are good if you want some bare-bones, just the facts stuff. Unaffiliated, OpEd-free, charity-supported fact-checking organisation. They seem on the level, but if you find any inherent biases let me know.... (
https://fullfact.org/)
None of what I've read on that site has had any clear bias in any direction, as far as I can tell it's all considerably more truthful than most other sources.
It's full of not necessarily all that relevant stuff but that's because it's trying to provide information on questions asked and claims made, it's not their fault people are asking daft questions and making stuff up.
heywood on 21/6/2016 at 11:31
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
The AV referendum wasn't a populist movement, I'm not sure many british people even really cared about voting reform (sadly). It was one the Liberal Democrats's criteria for entering into a coalition government with the Tories.
Yeah, that was a stretch calling it populist. I was mainly referring to how the Lib Dems were on the rise and Nick Clegg had become arguably the most popular political figure in the country. They got their referendum, lost it, and then Clegg looked like a loser, the media turned their attention away, and the party got hammered in the next two elections. Now they're barely relevant. Which is a shame because I liked their views and approach.
Chimpy Chompy on 21/6/2016 at 15:05
To loop this back to the original topic, I'm assuming the lib dems are in the Remain camp but I haven't actually heard anything because they only have two and a half MPs left and no-one cares what they think anymore. Which, yeah, is a bit sad.
faetal on 21/6/2016 at 16:02
I'm not surprised. The 2010 election was exciting because it felt like a 3 horse race for the first time in ages. Then the Lib Dems decided to team up with The Conservatives - and proceeded to become impotent.
SD on 21/6/2016 at 17:34
Quote Posted by faetal
Wasn't helped by the fact that a lot of people were hoping for proportional representation (and which the Lib Dems suggested would be the case). It seems fairly likely that this was diluted to the less advantageous, desirable and simple AV as a way to make it easier to make it disappear. I think if PR had been on the table as originally suggested, it may have gone through.
Nick Clegg could have proposed a sack of cash and jet packs for every household and the public would have voted against it. They are easily led by their nose to blame everything on scapegoats, whether that be immigrants or junior coalition partners.
