scumble on 24/6/2016 at 08:33
48 vs 52 is a good illustration of my irritation with democracy in certain usages. Does feel like a tyranny of a very slight majority. I don't even know if anyone thought about how it's going to work. Cameron certainly didn't.
I don't think it's worth panicking mind you. I feel it's a pointless change based on a coin flip. I also don't identify this as a "UK" decision because a big chunk of the population probably didn't bother to vote.
Pyrian on 24/6/2016 at 08:34
Quote Posted by Muzman
Any sort of economic cost I expect to be used by the right wingers as further proof they were right, in a sort of irony you don't see too often.
Politicians have been claiming that black is white for as long as there have been politicians, but this sounds like political suicide. "Hey unemployed person, I'm the reason you lost your job and I'm proud of it, vote for me!"
EDIT:
Quote Posted by scumble
I don't even know if anyone thought about how it's going to work.
I thought I read that there are in fact some exit clauses in the relevant treaties? And that it will take two years or more.
SD on 24/6/2016 at 08:41
Britain's 9/11
Vae on 24/6/2016 at 08:45
Quote Posted by scumble
I also don't identify this as a "UK" decision because a big chunk of the population probably didn't bother to vote.
There was a 72.2% turnout...which is quite high.
Quote Posted by Pyrian
EDIT:I thought I read that there are in fact some exit clauses in the relevant treaties? And that it will take two years or more.
Yes, that is correct.
Gryzemuis on 24/6/2016 at 08:56
Let me explain to all you whiners what will happen next.
Cameron will resign. (Already happened, I just read).
An interim-government will take over.
The interim-government will arrage new elections. These will take at least a year.
The interim-government will start work on actually leaving the EU.
The interim-government will say: "we take the voters in the referendum so seriously, we will already start implementing new laws for them". There will be slightly more border patrol in Dover and Calais. Maybe a few illegal immigrants will be deported (with lots of press attending, but low numbers of immigrants). A few new arrangements with the EU will be made. The UK will pay a little less money to the EU. Etc.
A new government will be in place in 18-24 months.
The new government will say: "the majority of Brits have voted for us. we believe a brexit is against the interest of the british people. we believe the majority of brits have changed their view on the issue. we believe the new laws have satisfied their wishes. we think a brexit is not necessary anymore. the referendum had only an advisery role, and was not binding".
The UK stays in the EU.
You might think voting matters.
When it's about the EU, the people's vote and the people's opinion does not matter any more.
We are beyond that.
There are better people than us that will decide about our fates.
Three years from now, you can all congratulate me on my psysic prediction powers.
Thanks in advance.
scumble on 24/6/2016 at 09:06
Quote Posted by Vae
There was a 72.2% turnout...which is quite high.
So adjusting for turnout, were down to 37% of the U.K. deciding the fate of the whole. I'm not impressed with that particularly.
This isn't even taking account of whether it's a meaningful decision for most people in the country. I do see it as a bit of a farce unfortunately. Politics...
Pyrian on 24/6/2016 at 09:14
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Three years from now, you can all congratulate me on my psysic prediction powers.
For some reason this reminds me of several people confidently predicting that Hillary Clinton would be the next president - about 9 years ago. Does "
next next" count?
SD on 24/6/2016 at 09:15
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Let me explain to all you whiners what will happen next.
Cameron will resign. (Already happened, I just read).
An interim-government will take over.
The interim-government will arrage new elections. These will take at least a year.
The interim-government will start work on actually leaving the EU.
The interim-government will say: "we take the voters in the referendum so seriously, we will already start implementing new laws for them". There will be slightly more border patrol in Dover and Calais. Maybe a few illegal immigrants will be deported (with lots of press attending, but low numbers of immigrants). A few new arrangements with the EU will be made. The UK will pay a little less money to the EU. Etc.
A new government will be in place in 18-24 months.
The new government will say: "the majority of Brits have voted for us. we believe a brexit is against the interest of the british people. we believe the majority of brits have changed their view on the issue. we believe the new laws have satisfied their wishes. we think a brexit is not necessary anymore. the referendum had only an advisery role, and was not binding".
The UK stays in the EU.You might think voting matters.
When it's about the EU, the people's vote and the people's opinion does not matter any more.
We are beyond that.
There are better people than us that will decide about our fates.
Three years from now, you can all congratulate me on my psysic prediction powers.
Thanks in advance.
No offence, but you are talking out of your arsehole.
Gryzemuis on 24/6/2016 at 09:18
Yeah, you seem to be the smart one here.
Only if the next prime-minister is Farage or Boris himself, the UK might actually leave the EU. If the regular Tories or Labour win the next elections (which will happen), the UK will stay in the EU.
Vae on 24/6/2016 at 09:22
Quote Posted by SD
Britain's 9/11
Actually, in the UK, June 23rd will become a national holiday, known as "UK Independence Day"...or just "Independence Day".
