faetal on 25/6/2016 at 22:18
Ok, I too am done with Gryz on this since it seems to be spittle-flecked invective based on nothing more than gut feeling. Hitchens' razor and that.
I can't help but feel like this whole referendum for a lot of leave voters was like a night out on the piss - in the moment, during the frenzy, people were being impulsive. Now it's the morning after, the hangover is kicking in, the person in bed next to you is nowhere near as attractive as last night and your friends aren't making eye contact.
The thing which bothers me is the validation this referendum seems to have given to the racists and xenophobes. They feel like
they've won: (
https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3)
Severian_Silk on 26/6/2016 at 09:27
Awful. The thing that gets me most in this whole affair is that it's just another win for ignorance, racism and bigotry.
ffox on 26/6/2016 at 10:58
@Starker:
Your source is a Nigel Farage rant! Most people who believe what he says are ignorant old fart Brits. Welcome to the club! :joke:
Starker on 26/6/2016 at 11:32
You mean to tell me that the pound wasn't already on its way to the lowest it has been for 30 years? Oh my, that was my third monocle this week.
Manwe on 26/6/2016 at 12:03
You people are frankly ridiculous, scary and dangerous. "Well sure people voted, but they're just dumb and didn't know what they were doing. We need to vote again until they vote the right way." Fascists disguised as benefactors.
And old people being less educated and wise than younger people?? Are you guys for real? You want to place the future of humanity in the hands of the Facebook/Bieber/twerking generation? These people are braindead. If there's a category of voters who are uninformed and didn't know what they were doing when they voted, it's them.
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Awful. The thing that gets me most in this whole affair is that it's just another win for ignorance, racism and bigotry.
And again trying to equate fighting tyranny with racism. Excluding our natural allies that are Northern African countries and even waging war on them in some cases, that's the real racism and bigotry. But that's acceptable I guess. It doesn't matter if we destroy their countries, it's for their own good anyway. We'll just welcome them with open arms to redeem ourselves.
scumble on 26/6/2016 at 12:23
It's easy to blow the one thing out of proportion. Unfortunately it will be natural for people to post-rationalise anything that goes wrong as a result of leaving the EU. (I'm tired of that awful B word)
The opposite is also true - I find confirmation bias really annoying.
Starker on 26/6/2016 at 12:56
I have yet to see any one of these people come up with anything resembling a plan other than "it will work out somehow". What I've seen is a lot of backtracking and weaseling out of responsibility. And I take the suggestions that there is no rush with leaving and that the UK could take its sweet time with it as a further confirmation that they really have no idea what they are doing. What UK needs right now is a clear decisive plan that would reassure people within and without, not this circus. Every year that the UK dallies is a year that the UK will have to pay the EU while rapidly losing influence within it.
ffox on 26/6/2016 at 13:07
An interesting development:
Quote Posted by "reuters (UK)"
Under the United Kingdom's complex arrangements to devolve some powers to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, legislation generated in London to give effect to the vote to leave the EU would have to gain consent from the three devolved parliaments.
Asked on BBC television whether she would consider asking the Scottish parliament to block a motion of legislative consent, Sturgeon said: "Of course."
Full article here: (
http://tinyurl.com/zw4ebhj)
heywood on 26/6/2016 at 13:23
Quote Posted by Starker
I have yet to see any one of these people come up with anything resembling a plan other than "it will work out somehow". What I've seen is a lot of backtracking and weaseling out of responsibility. And I take the suggestions that there is no rush with leaving and that the UK could take its sweet time with it as a further confirmation that they really have no idea what they are doing. What UK needs right now is a clear decisive plan that would reassure people within and without, not this circus. Every year that the UK dallies is a year that the UK will have to pay the EU while rapidly losing influence within it.
The circus is really just EU supporters going through histrionics over losing.
Nobody knows what the future relationship between the UK and EU will be until a withdrawal agreement has been agreed. As of now, nothing has changed aside from perceptions. There hasn't even been an Article 50 notification yet, and the parties have up to two years after that to get a deal done. Assuming the UK really does exit, nobody can say how much of the current status quo will be preserved or discarded. And the economic consequences of this vote won't really be clear until years after that.
So I wish everyone would just calm the fuck down. This is a long process.
