Vae on 30/6/2016 at 21:49
[video=youtube;qIjUESuwqes]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjUESuwqes[/video]
Matthew on 1/7/2016 at 08:47
That was quite a knifing from Mr Gove; I wonder if he genuinely felt he couldn't rely on assurances from BoJo or just saw and opportunity and grabbed it with both hands?
faetal on 1/7/2016 at 12:03
At this point, I'm wondering if anything which the Leave camp campaigned on was grounded in reality, or if they have just pulled off the biggest practical joke in political history.
Anyone who voted Leave and isn't feeling like they were massively duped has got to be running on some military-grade cognitive dissonance around now.
I was appalled to learn that my parents voted leave, but not surprised. They switched to reading The Daily Mail around 10 or 15 years ago and have becoming increasingly bigoted with all of society's problems resting at immigration. I was recently told by my father than he was at the doctor's recently and there were people speaking foreign languages and enough was enough - standard bigoted crap. Tried to ask him what his opinion was on me living in France where I sometimes have the audacity to speak English in public - no answer. Asked him how he felt about his immigrant son, married to his immigrant wife with their quarter Lebanese, quarter Turkish grandchild - no answer. Asked him whether he had a low opinion of his daughter who was an immigrant in both Australia and New Zealand and who had two half-Indian children with an immigrant to New Zealand - no answer.
I guess he has a cognitive exception built in.
So we've seen a (
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-hate-crime-racism-reports-eu-referendum-latest-a7106116.html) 57% increase in hate crimes reported in England since the referendum and it seems the tone of the abuse being reported is very much an (
https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&pnref=story) increase in boldness due to the referendum result. Then you look at (
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/) how the respective sides voted and it becomes fairly alarming. For example, 81% of Leave voters view multiculturalism as a force for ill versus 29% of Leave voters. Worth the read and more eye-opening than anything which can be "reckoned".
scumble on 1/7/2016 at 12:05
I only got through 40s of that video.
For me the FB post linked up there is indicative of politics in general. Things only get done if the bullshit is dropped temporarily.
scumble on 1/7/2016 at 12:17
Quote Posted by faetal
I guess he has a cognitive exception built in.
It makes me very pessimistic about democracy having any value when you see why people vote. Why expect a rational result? Yes, decide on the UK's management of global immigration by leaving a European alliance...
The hate crime surge is even more depressing, and victims probably aren't even of European descent most of the time.
Thirith on 1/7/2016 at 12:18
Yeah, that's the one I find pretty alarming as well - the entire list of items. I imagine it'd also be a good match for the growing cultural/ideological divides all over western Europe and the United States. I am hoping that it'll get better as the older generation dies, but then people generally seem to get more conservative as they get older, so I don't know...
faetal on 1/7/2016 at 12:19
It's certainly important to note - if people are dissatisfied enough with X to vote on it, then it needs addressing. Just in this case, it needs addressing with better education.
SD on 1/7/2016 at 12:31
Quote Posted by faetal
I was appalled to learn that my parents voted leave, but not surprised. They switched to reading The Daily Mail around 10 or 15 years ago and have becoming increasingly bigoted with all of society's problems resting at immigration. I was recently told by my father than he was at the doctor's recently and there were people speaking foreign languages and enough was enough - standard bigoted crap. Tried to ask him what his opinion was on me living in France where I sometimes have the audacity to speak English in public - no answer. Asked him how he felt about his immigrant son, married to his immigrant wife with their quarter Lebanese, quarter Turkish grandchild - no answer. Asked him whether he had a low opinion of his daughter who was an immigrant in both Australia and New Zealand and who had two half-Indian children with an immigrant to New Zealand - no answer.
I guess he has a cognitive exception built in.
It's the same with my girlfriend's parents, who voted to leave. I wouldn't say they were bigoted, but they've definitely swallowed all the horseshit about too much immigration.
Bear in mind that these people own a villa and an apartment in Spain, and their other daughter is a solicitor specialising in EU law, who has an Iranian husband. She gave them a proper tongue-lashing.
In the cold light of day they are very uncertain that they did the right thing, but it's too late now, isn't it. The solicitor has been told she may have to relocate to Dublin, and the job her husband had lined up looks like it no longer exists due to the referendum result.
I'm not worried about those two, they are both highly qualified people who can be internationally mobile, but it's upheaval nobody wants or needs. And upping sticks and leaving the country isn't an option for most folk who will see their jobs suddenly disappear because millions of people had a rush of blood to the head.
demagogue on 1/7/2016 at 13:15
Holy shit this story just keeps on truckin'. The drama happening with the Conservatives is making even the collapse of our GOP look not-so-crazy. There's something almost comical about Boris leading the country into open warfare and then scuffling out the back like a frightened rabbit. Before this is over it's going to make for the best made-for-telly movie ever.
