Renzatic on 4/4/2017 at 21:41
Quote Posted by demagogue
A farthing for your thoughts. :p
Sorry, my thoughts are worth a quid a piece.
nickie on 5/4/2017 at 11:50
Quote Posted by caffeinatedzombeh
That yougov polls are as informative and useful as ever?
Well, yes, there is that.
Tony_Tarantula on 5/4/2017 at 16:27
Quote Posted by Renzatic
We're definitely going through another "looks like we have to learn our lessons the hard way" kick at the moment. It's merely time for a new generation to learn that stark isolationist/protectionist policies are destined to fail, as they have the previous umpteen hundred times they've been attempted.
It's a cyclical thing. A reactionary kneejerk that inevitably arises when the world seems a little more scary than usual. We'll weather it, same as always, and eventually swing back towards more centrist positions.
Which is ironic because you're posting this as the globalist, corporatist Utopia that George Bush Sr. promised us with his "New World Order" speech is collapsing all around you.
demagogue on 5/4/2017 at 16:56
Nothing is collapsing ffs. GM and GE and Nabisco and Harley Davidson, et al, are all making the global new world order tick whether governments want it or not.
The only question is if gov'ts are going to jump in front of the curve and take a lead in advancing globalization in positive ways or if they close their eyes to reality and are completely reactive to events beyond their foresight.
I take it as a given that the former is better off for all involved. But the latter isn't the end of civilization, just a really dumb and avoidable loss.
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Renzatic on 5/4/2017 at 18:05
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Which is ironic because you're posting this as the globalist, corporatist Utopia that George Bush Sr. promised us with his "New World Order" speech is collapsing all around you.
Is it? Because last time I checked, the market is still healthy, corporate profits are hitting record highs, China is still our #1 trade partner, our economies are still healthy. Some static from Brexit, which harms the UK moreso than the "Globalist New World Order", and Trump paying lip service to certain talking points does not a collapse of the modern world make.
Though I can't help but remark on the fact that the buffers used to protect our own workforce in a now globalized market are usually derided as Communist Socialist blah blah blah. Maintaining a small wealth gap? Supporting a higher minimum wage that scales with inflation to keep the low end of the economy flexible? Funding healthcare and education to foster a fluid, adaptable, and independent workforce that can change with market demands? Oh hell no! That's Stalin's America! Let's kick all the spics out, and pat ourselves on the back!
SubJeff on 5/4/2017 at 21:28
Tony, off the top of your head (be honest) can you name the two European regulatory agencies that currently reside in the UK and which will be moving after Brexit?
Kolya on 5/4/2017 at 23:22
nickie's hands?
Tony_Tarantula on 6/4/2017 at 13:04
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Is it? Because last time I checked, the market is still healthy, corporate profits are hitting record highs, China is still our #1 trade partner, our economies are still healthy. Some static from Brexit, which harms the UK moreso than the "Globalist New World Order", and Trump paying lip service to certain talking points does not a collapse of the modern world make.
If you think it's such a wonderful economy, than you're completely economically ignorant.
It's even more hilarious seeing a liberal such as yourself using "corporate profits" as proof of a strong economy.....when dominance of the economy by corporate elites is exactly the thing you've been railing against the last sixteen years. There's no pretzel you won't twist yourself into to in the name of the grand cause.
Globalism definitely benefits some people though. Notice how income inequality begins a smooth but noticeable explosion starting exactly in the early 90's when the globalist/corporatist ideology became the dominant force about the time of Bush Sr?
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http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/chs-chart3-everything-great.jpgAs I've said before....just because YOU as a lawyer are doing well doesn't even remotely mean that the rest of the economy is doing well. You also should know that averages do not necessarily tell the whole story. If you live in a trailer park and your neighbor wins the powerball, you now statisticially live in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in America. That doesn't reflect reality and the income inequality is now to the point that you can't necessarily say "the economy" is improving simply by quoting a mean statistic.
I mean fuck....I seem to remember you saying you're from Georgia. Try driving up the road to Gainesville, down to Jesup, or to any one of those small town away from the highway and spend the day exploring....then tell me if you still feel the economy is "healthy". Or drive to any minority neighborhood, spend the afternoon looking around the local businesses, and tell me you still feel that way. Just do ANYTHING to get outside your circle of privileged white collar white people.
That's the real irony. You're claiming to be against things like "white privilege" and for most progressive "equality" talking points while being completely oblivious to the reality that people less privileged than yourself live in.....and worse completely closed minded to any information about the less privileged to the point that you get angry if anyone tries to tell you.
And BTW...populism is a SYMPTOM of that economic collapse, rather than either a cause or a cure.
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Tony, off the top of your head (be honest) can you name the two European regulatory agencies that currently reside in the UK and which will be moving after Brexit?
I wasn't under the impression that there were any headquartered in the UK. All the one I am familiar with operate primarily out of either Brussels or Frankfurt.
And why on earth are you asking me? I don't understand how the exact physical location of a regulatory agency's headquarters means jack shit for anybody other than the travel industry.
Tony_Tarantula on 6/4/2017 at 13:07
Also a brief note:
I would HIGHLY caution you against analyzing the health of corporations by their "corporate profits", as that number is relatively easy to manipulate through accounting tricks such as adjusting the timing of revenue recognition, changing inventory account practices, writing receivables allowances up and down, etc. Operating cash flows are a better proxy all other things being equal. If you look just at "earnings" that's a great way to end up investing in a Wells Fargo or SalesForce.