Gray on 27/9/2019 at 22:40
I don't know how much energy I have left in me to go "well THIS is the worst it has ever been, surely, it can't get any worse now..." on a daily basis. It would be hilarious to objectively watch the destruction of our country, except I'm living in it. On one hand, I would like to see a no-deal Brexit to hit those idiots who voted for it but didn't understand that they themselves would be its first victims, but on the other, their poor judgement will hit ME as well, so... I hate those idiots. And the ringleaders. The blonde one, the stick thin, and the bald one. They can all go intercourse themselves, as opposed to us.
If only we'd have had 10 years of good education before all of this, and we'd never had gotten into this unending mess. People would have known better. Brexit is a failure of the British school system.
Marecki on 28/9/2019 at 10:40
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This bit I do find rather odd though. I would suspect that most people who disagree with the judgement haven't actually read it.
I wish this were the case, unfortunately in at least a few quotes the problem the person has was the court having got involved at all and even going "what next, every single government decision the MPs do not like being sent to court?"
Just
imagine what would happen if there were, say, a special court in a democratic country with a written constitution which would be empowered to investigate whether a new law breaks the constitution or not and MPs had the right to demand such investigations. Madness, I say! Pure chaos!
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the Queen has done what she usually does
i.e. bugger all
That's what she's supposed to do.
I know, hence my "what she usually does" comment - which does not stop many people from saying "the Queen should do something". Kind of endearing really, she might have serve purely representative purposes similar to
e.g. the German president but just because she is a monarch rather than an elected official, it's as if she were expected to have superpowers.
nickie on 28/9/2019 at 11:29
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It's (
https://t.co/59gGZg0Chm?amp=1) here if you want to read it. 25 pages but most of it is setting out the background of the whole thing and making sure it's easily understandable to those who read it (hopefully pretty much everyone)
Thanks very much for that.
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I know, hence my "what she usually does" comment . . .
Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you were sort of 'complaining' about her lack of action.
Marecki on 28/9/2019 at 16:37
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And the ringleaders. The blonde one, the stick thin, and the bald one.
I am still trying to classify the bald one. The blonde one leaves little doubt to being a troll, both the appearance and the behaviour give him away. The thin one is obviously, to quote Nish Kumar "almost certainly - and I say "almost certainly" for legal reasons - a full vampire". The bald one though... I don't know. A mind flayer, maybe?
Gray on 28/9/2019 at 16:44
Well he certainly sucks something, perhaps just the blood of innocent children. Or maybe just his own ego.
Not a big fan, me.
Nameless Voice on 28/9/2019 at 17:33
Stephen Fry has made another video somewhat-about-Brexit, but a huge part of it is about CEOs and the ultra-rich.
I want to send it to the CEO of the company which I work for.
[video=youtube;hmnkutTvQnI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmnkutTvQnI[/video]
Gray on 28/9/2019 at 17:50
This is all known, but it does bear reminding me of it, I had forgotten a lot of that. But he is such a full-on bullshit generator you can't quite keep up with the latest nonsense for fear of not debunking the previous load of crap, or vice versa. That's why it's very helpful to have people break it down into easy, simple pieces. Last night the BBC interviewed a former Attorney General who worked under Reagan (so, presumably, a republican and not THE DREADED ENEMY the democrats), who could list THREE reasons that Trump should be impeached, he broke it down and explained very clearly and simply all the laws Trump had broken and how each and single one of them should have him ejected from office, but then went on to say this will probably never happen because Trump ignores the truth, rejects it, pretends it never happened and for some reason is bulletproof.
I'll see if I can find that clip, it was very clear and informative, and if I find it I'll post it here. Or perhaps better, in the Trump dump.
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I meant the Trump bits in that video. The Boris bits are equally apt.
Pyrian on 28/9/2019 at 19:24
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...for some reason is bulletproof.
Because Republican politicians have long since embraced "post-truth" and their voters have little to no interest in punishing them for it, and in fact lap nonsense up like cats and then spew it back over the forums and social media.
Gray on 14/10/2019 at 18:01
I think I may have finally figured out a Brexit thing. Let me explain it first and you can mock me later and point out the flaws in my reasoning.
Britain supposedly wants to leave the EU, or 52% wanted to 3 years ago. A very slim margin for such a massively important decision, but ok, let's leave it at that for now. A union where the UK has strong and important voice, is seen as an equal, and has influence on how the EU operates. Granted, not as much influence as the UK would like, but still quite a bit. Representing 65 million people, of 513 million, so 12%. Apparently we as a people want to negotiate ourselves into a much worse position, for some pointless national pride nonsense. "Taking back control", yeah, right.
Scotland, pre-Brexit voted 55% in 2014 to stay in the UK. A union where Scotland has apparently no influence whatsoever, and is largely ignored, and seen as the backwards peasant cousin of England. Scotland is 10% of the population of the UK. Scotland voted 62% for staying in the EU in 2016. ALL counties in Scotland voted Remain. All of them. At every single stage of the Brexit process, the needs of Scotland have been ignored, dismissed or outright mocked by England, by which I mean tory MPs. I was not pro-independence in 2014, but given how we've been treated, I'm starting to build up to my William Wallace moment. Nothing Scotland says is taken seriously in Westminster, as opposed to how everything Britain says is taken very seriously in the EU. No wonder Scotland is now tilting more towards independence. Brexit might be the very thing that un-unifies the as-yet United Kingdoms. This will not be because of Scotland's unwillingness to adapt, we adapt plenty, but to England's inability to treat us, and Northern Ireland, and Wales as equals. We, quite frankly, are getting increasingly sick of it. If this is the beginning of the end of the kingdoms being united, I firmly blame the tory infighting and division for splitting up the country, and Boris is just playing into the hands of the SNP. I may not like Nicola Sturgeon, but she makes a hell of a lot more sense now than Mr. Poledancing Afficionado, who, by the way, no voter has voted for yet. And to a greater extent, beyond the tory twats, England's inability to see Scotland as an equal. That in itself is probably the biggest red flag.
My point is this: the UK has always been an equal and important part of the EU, yet the UK has always resisted to conform to the rules of mainland Europe. Scotland is NOT treated as an equal within the UK, specifically by the conservative AND UNIONIST party of rich posh English twats. We are being sidelined here, and have been for decades (or indeed 300 years, depending on your stance), it's just getting much worse now. If there was another Scottish independence referendum, I'm not sure how I'd vote, but I can quite easily see how a lot more people would vote for it now, given how we've been treated, or rather ignored recently.
Things are bad now, but can quickly get a lot worse. Don't push the Scots, or we might push back. You may not like the results.
The arrogance, selfishness and dismissiveness of the English is what might break up the UK. They treat us much worse than the EU treat the UK, and yet the English complain more. I try my very best to not use the phrase "post-imperial malaise" yet again, but it seems to very apt at every turn of this unfolding disaster. It, to me, quite accurately gets to the very heart of Brexit. An overblown sense of self-importance, far beyond what's reasonable. Longing for a past glory that was never true in the first place.
Nameless Voice on 14/10/2019 at 19:08
It's really just the English.
The Scots voted against Brexit, the Northern Irish voted against Brexit, the Welsh mostly voted against Brexit (though the vote outcomes there were changed by a lot of old English people who retired to there and of course voted to Leave.)
I was in Scotland recently and it seemed like a great place, much more progressive than England or Ireland. I saw actual action on climate change there, especially in Edinburgh, with them boasting about how they'd replaced most of their buses with electric and low-emission ones and how much carbon footprint they'd reduced in the last few years.
It sounds like the Scottish would do a much better job at governing than the English ever could.