SD on 8/7/2020 at 05:47
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Let's examine this a little deeper. If this is
really increasing the opportunity for a man to saunter into a restroom as a woman, what's stopped a man from literally doing this at any point in history anyway? They put on a gender-conforming disguise and walk in.
Because they'd be chucked out and arrested the moment they got their knob out, if not before then.
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You also seem to be misunderstanding the idea that rape is not about sex, it is about power. And a straight man dressing up as a woman to perpetrate a sex crime would be antithetical to that to begin with. Is it still a possibility? Yes. How possible is it? It's incredibly low to the point where marginalising an entire other section of the populace because of that is patently absurd.
I think sex is kind of intrinsic to rape. And I've literally just posted an example of a man dressing as a women to perpetrate sex crimes against vulnerable women.
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 05:49
Karen White is an extreme example, but kind of the ultimate example of this. Google will help you.
But really I'm not even thinking rape is the issue.
Why do we have to talk rape?
Isn't it enough that this would facilitate men who wish to look at women or girls undressing or expose themselves?
SD on 8/7/2020 at 05:52
Quote Posted by june gloom
congratulations, you found the one trans woman predator, clearly that makes
all trans women (oh, i'm sorry, "pre-op" transwomen, because you're obsessed with genitals) a threat to precious cis women
Nobody said anything about all transwomen being a threat. Keep on railing against those straw men.
Still, at least you now accept that people with dicks posing as women to attack women is not just a product of my diseased, bigoted mind, and that these things actually happen in reality. I call that progress. Eventually you may even accept that the right of women not to be raped is more important than the right of transwomen to be indulged.
Sulphur on 8/7/2020 at 05:54
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Because they'd be chucked out and arrested the moment they got their knob out, if not before then.
I'm pretty sure if you're a trans person with a penis and need to pee, you'd use a stall in the women's restroom, unless you somehow foresee people needing to pee in the sink. If everyone really does have a problem with a trans person's penis, I think it's fairly clear that the stall still exists for changing.
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I think sex is kind of intrinsic to rape. And I've literally just posted an example of a man dressing as a women to perpetrate sex crimes against vulnerable women.
You have posted an incident, of a convicted criminal, committing crimes in a jail. How does this signify that the vast majority of women on the planet are unsafe from the wiles of a legion of cross-dressing rapists that use a trans identity as a cover?
SD on 8/7/2020 at 05:58
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I'm pretty sure if you're a trans woman with a penis and need to pee, you'd use a stall in the women's restroom, unless you somehow foresee people needing to pee in the sink.
Okay, you're talking about restrooms; I was talking about changing rooms, refuges and prisons. Sorry, I didn't notice the goalpost move when I replied to your earlier post.
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You have posted an incident, of a convicted criminal, committing crimes in a jail. How does this signify that the vast majority of women on the planet are unsafe from the wiles of a legion of cross-dressing rapists that use a trans identity as a cover?
You only need a single black swan to disprove the notion that all swans are white.
If people are going to argue that they're aware of the risks, and they think women should be made to accept those risks, then at least that is intellectually honest. It's the claim that there's no risk which is offensive and untrue.
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 05:59
I didn't know that not wanting to date a trans woman was considered trans phobic. Interesting. Ridiculous.
Sulphur on 8/7/2020 at 06:05
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Okay, you're talking about restrooms; I was talking about changing rooms, refuges and prisons. Sorry, I didn't notice the goalpost move when I replied to your earlier post.
We were talking about the JKR thing before you stepped in, and I singled out restrooms from her post. I don't discount changing rooms being uncomfortable, but let's talk about the bare minimum first before we even get there, yes?
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You only need a single black swan to disprove the notion that all swans are white.
No one ever said that? The possibility is true of
everyone. And the reverse notion stands: a cis-gendered criminal does not make all cis-gendered people criminal.
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If people are going to argue that they're aware of the risks, and they think women should be made to accept those risks, then at least that is intellectually honest. It's the claim that there's no risk which is offensive and untrue.
Everything has a risk %. I don't think anyone is discounting the possibility of a bad actor in any population. The point is how much discrimination and marginalisation are you proposing over the low, low possibility of this eventuating given your incident of one person across a population that is far higher than that?
SD on 8/7/2020 at 06:05
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I didn't know that not wanting to date a trans woman was considered trans phobic. Interesting. Ridiculous.
It is ridiculous, but if you think about it, it's the logical conclusion of the argument that transwomen are women.
For instance: I am a heterosexual man. I am attracted to women. Therefore, if transwomen are women, I ought to be attracted to transwomen.
However, the fact that I'm not attracted to transwomen (like the overwhelming majority of straight men) is obviously a grave threat to the new trans orthodoxy. Therefore I must be marked out as a heretic and a bigot.
june gloom on 8/7/2020 at 06:06
lotta straight men obsessed with other peoples' junk ITT
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You only need a single black swan to disprove the notion that all swans are white.
by this logic, we shouldn't let immigrants into "western" nations because some of them might be terrorists
SD on 8/7/2020 at 06:14
Most of them probably aren't terrorists, but I'd still argue the state shouldn't provide any of them with a rucksack full of gelignite.
