rachel on 8/7/2020 at 11:22
FWIW, SubJeff, I'm not trying to antagonize you, I'm really trying to get to the bottom of your argument.
Sulphur on 8/7/2020 at 11:38
icemann, I'm not going to mince words here. You're simply bad at this. You've got a remarkably ignorant set of views, you keep contradicting yourself because of a poor thought process, and your argument style consists of ignoring everything you can't agree with or don't have a contradictory response to. Even the salient criticisms given to you minus ad homs, you've randomly selected something you had an issue with, and failed at that too. You're a very basic reactionary-type person deeply entrenched in old-fashioned bigoted views. I don't think you're a terrible person, but ipso facto from all of the above, you are either wilfully ignorant, influenced by bigots, or some combination of these. My theory is that you're also probably just stupid.
The upshot of this is you are a phenomenal waste of time conversing with until you someday actually learn to self-reflect. Consider your credibility at the minus end of the spectrum.
Jeshibu on 8/7/2020 at 11:45
Quote Posted by june gloom
threads like this make me really glad i'm not cishet, imagine living in the world SD and subjeff and icemann do
We do not claim them
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 11:50
Quote Posted by raph
FWIW, SubJeff, I'm not trying to antagonize you, I'm really trying to get to the bottom of your argument.
I didn't think you were.
I'm really trying to explain what believe the issues are.
Sulphur on 8/7/2020 at 11:50
icemann: consider this the last time I'm going to say anything in response to you on social issues: I know which arguments I've lost and learned from, and exactly none of them are from you.
I wish you a long and educational journey on your road to eventual self-awareness.
rachel on 8/7/2020 at 11:51
Speaking about self reflection... The way celebs approach the affair afterwards is also important. For example, Aziz Ansari's special has a big portion dedicated to the whole affair. He was clearly affected by it, and learned from it. The special is actually pretty moving at times
Contrast it with Louis CK. His own post-scandal special mentions "the thing" and he has a whole shtick about it... but at no point does he actually apologize for anything, and his behavior was admittedly way shadier that whatever Aziz did. It's a good special, fuck he's a great comedian in general, but I'll be damned if it doesn't make it very difficult to defend him. You could argue that it's what his whole persona is about, but that's not an excuse. What he did was not okay, and his refusal to acknowledge this is a big problem.
I'm cool with Aziz's response, not with Louis's. It's not necessarily "cancel him forever" worthy, but I wouldn't let him get away with just a basic apology, either. He should be held accountable until he demonstrates that he understand why that's happening, at least.
lowenz on 8/7/2020 at 12:06
Quote Posted by icemann
And you can't have a disagreement with anyone without personally attacking them, when you should be debating the topic, which shows a clear deficiency in character. Not one single word in the above post was about the topic at all. 100% about the attack.
It's the way he interacts with everybody, fake skeptism and futile/childish rationalism (IT'S A FALLACY, A FALLACY!!11111) with a deep anger below.
And everytime he calls out for a moderator (divine) intervention.
The constant, obsessive occurrence of this behaviour is simply astonishing :|
And everytime he comically "points out" how totally wrong is his contender. An extreme personality kept in balance thanks to rationalism only.
LOL
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 12:11
Got links to those?
I've never found Aziz that funny tbh.
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 12:24
So I explained why I think trans men using a male changing room is different to trans women using a female changing room raph.
Any opinion on that?
Jeshibu on 8/7/2020 at 12:29
Quote Posted by icemann
And you can't have a disagreement with anyone without personally attacking them, when you should be debating the topic, which shows a clear deficiency in character. Not one single word in the above post was about the topic at all. 100% about the attack.
To use a Jeshibu line - "Think back to all the arguments / debates you've ever had, and tell me how many times in your mind that you lost? I'll bet that number is zero in your head". Answer that one to yourself and see what you honestly come up with. My bet is that your convinced that you've never lost one, and intellectually superior to everyone.
You've learned nothing. You've just adapted something that challenged you once into a cudgel to use on others, while still ignoring when people point out flaws in your arguments that you can't immediately think of a rebuttal to.
