Nameless Voice on 23/11/2013 at 23:40

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I don't know.

The doors do look much better with hinge and lock plates.
Switching the UV mapping on those models to use the other side of the door for the edges shouldn't cause any issues, even for custom door textures.

The hinge plates, on the other hand, are far more of an issue. As mentioned before, the hinge plates appear on both sides of the door since the same texture is used on both sides. Changing the door model to use one texture on one side and a different one on the other would not be viable, as it would have too high a chance of breaking custom assets in FMs - plus, the same door is often used opening in either direction, meaning that a lot of doors would end up with the hinge being on the wrong side.

It's probably best to just leave the hinge out altogether.

If you want to keep the lock plates, it needs a custom model with the UV mapping fixed. I wouldn't object to that change, but don't feel like making the model myself at the moment.

R Soul on 24/11/2013 at 00:10

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I'm not getting anything from bintoe. The door looks simple enough so I'm not sure why it won't convert.

edit: I wasn't using the latest version. I keep both around because sometimes the older one is better with UV mapping. The "latest" one is from 2003 and is on (http://www.angelfire.com/games4/shadowspawn/Tools.html) Shadowspawn's site

R Soul on 24/11/2013 at 01:01

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The new Victorian doors also have hinge plates. In both cases I think the textures would look better without them.


When loading miss5 I see two warnings:

WARNING: invalid tile_factor '0x0' in material 'cobls1.mtl'
WARNING: invalid tile_factor '0x0' in material 'mstn4128.mtl'

They both use a tile_factor of 0.5

Necrobob on 24/11/2013 at 06:11

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For the record, I've been making my windows according to this: (http://thief.washboardabs.net/tutorials/stainedglass/)

Anyway, revamped the cames.
(http://s64.photobucket.com/user/DasMustardman/media/Glass1_zps85e9b317.png.html) http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h161/DasMustardman/Glass1_zps85e9b317.png
Tried to incorporate the things mentioned, but kept it all very dark and subtle as to not mess too much with the distant impression. That's one of the main problems with this pack, I think; the tendency to add detail where the texture should really be pitch black, leading to a certain lack of contrast when compared to the originals. Even worse, making stuff brighter without adding the appropriate amount of detail in return. Even I find myself doing that sometimes despite my usual, by now probably well known personal preferences.

Also, cobls1 with greater area and fullsize cobl2
(http://s64.photobucket.com/user/DasMustardman/media/Core/cobls1_zps67c2d2da.png.html) http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h161/DasMustardman/Core/cobls1_zps67c2d2da.png
(http://s64.photobucket.com/user/DasMustardman/media/Core/cobl2_zps6572f1b2.png.html) http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h161/DasMustardman/Core/cobl2_zps6572f1b2.png

...aaand even more stuff.
core_2/woodbeam
(http://s64.photobucket.com/user/DasMustardman/media/Core/woodbeam_zps22455310.png.html) http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h161/DasMustardman/Core/woodbeam_zps22455310.png
terrain_scale 128 64
tile_factor 1 2

mech/rustsl2
(http://s64.photobucket.com/user/DasMustardman/media/Rustsl2_zpscbef4506.png.html) http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h161/DasMustardman/Rustsl2_zpscbef4506.png
terrain_scale 128 64
tile_factor 1 2

PinkDot on 24/11/2013 at 13:03

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That looks so much better now! Now you can feel the material its made of, and all the effort that had been put into cutting, assembling and soldering all the lead strips.

The tutorial you're referring to comes from the times of the oldschool 256x256 texture sizes, which let a lot of detail to be skipped. It's the requirement of high res textures to reveal more detail, without changing the overall look. Just like with using the zooming glass in RL. :)