Mikael Grizzly on 27/10/2007 at 17:31
Yeah, I believe that's still not persecuted in practice.
phide on 27/10/2007 at 20:59
Quote Posted by imperialreign
but, once ID finally releases the source code to D3 (as they have done with all their releases in the past) - at that point, IIRC, it renders the source code as freeware (where ID got their start), which means the public can do with as they please with it - except for compile and release the original version of that game, or re-distribute the source code or whatever for any nominal fee.
So long as it's compliant with the GPL, I'd assume so, yes. However, I don't expect Tech 4 to be GPL'ed any time soon given that titles are still being delivered on it (Quake Wars, most recently) and that id's most likely under a certain degree of obligation with Creative Labs and Tech 4's usage of EAX. id would most likely have to remove EAX before releasing the source code, and I'm guessing that The Dark Mod utilizes EAX extensively (though the open source variant could use a high-level API/library like FMOD as a software alternative to the EAX extensions, or one built from scratch), so that would lead to some inoperability there. In addition, the current build utilizes John's MegaTexture technology, and that may be something that id intends to keep under wraps until an appropriate time. It's more likely that we'll instead see a pre-MegaTexture fork.
John felt that he made a mistake by releasing the Q3 source too early, so I doubt he's anxious to repeat what he believes was a mistake.
jay pettitt on 28/10/2007 at 06:05
Quote Posted by Mikael Grizzly
EU law says I can copy stuff, It does it does it does!!!
Your arguments are based on flawed reading and subsequent misunderstanding of technical papers. Legal statutes and EU directives are precise documents intended for a trained audience; it is unfortunately folly to cherry pick bits and pieces and attempt to apply them in ways which they are not intended. Debating and wishful thinking won't change points of law. There are numerous legal and moral issues that apply as noted here and elsewhere and it is only proper that the DarkMod try to be mindful of them.
I think we'd all agree that it would be sensible if you could download a digital copy if your physical media were damaged, but EU copyright law does not generally entitle you with a legal right to expect to do so. (It would be for the owner of copyright, the publisher or author for example, to decide whether or not to make this service available to you.) Neither would this be a precedent for copying in other circumstances, even when the motivation is harmless fun.
sparhawk on 28/10/2007 at 10:16
Quote Posted by imperialreign
but, once ID finally releases the source code to D3 (as they have done with all their releases in the past) - at that point, IIRC, it renders the source code as freeware (where ID got their start), which means the public can do with as they please with it - except for compile and release the original version of that game, or re-distribute the source code or whatever for any nominal fee. So, at that point it should be fair game as long as no one is making any profit on it . . .
If Id releases their sourcecode under GPL, you can do anything you like INCLUDING commercially exploitations. In fact Carmack himself even said that he finds it pretty cool, if people manage to get money for projects done with such old code.
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you were allowed to make and maintain a back up copy of that material (which is illegal per the DMCA), and modify it to your hearts content for your use (meaning, no re-distribution or passing that modified version on to others).
The DMCA has no holding in Europe.
Digital Nightfall on 28/10/2007 at 17:28
These posts are from the Dark Mod thread and have been set aside so that the copyright discussion may continue without disrupting the discussion of the mod team's work and progress.
