june gloom on 19/6/2010 at 17:13
god forbid we have any games that rip off system shock 2
Sulphur on 19/6/2010 at 19:00
I was pretty disappointed at the complete lack of psionically-empowered psychotic monkeys in Dead Space, truth be told.
Nameless Voice on 22/6/2010 at 11:17
I've probably said this before but gah this thread is too long to re-read.
I think Dead Space could have been a very good game if it was first person with smooth controls. Yeah, the plot was ripped straight out of System Shock 2 mixed with Event Horizon, to the point I burst out laughing at the similarities to SS2's plot and progression, but it wasn't really so much about the plot.
The third-person view (and horribly over-long unskippable death animations), combined with the awkward controls really took the fun out of the game for me. Plus, I don't think you can really be immersed in a game as much if it's third-person. At least, I can't.
Matthew on 22/6/2010 at 11:47
I can. ;) Therefore I didn't mind the view at all. Maybe it's a result of all those D&D sessions, being forever represented by a little pewter figure on the tabletop?
Sulphur on 22/6/2010 at 11:53
I didn't have any issues with feeling 'there' regardless of the viewpoint. Survival horror might be more in your face if it's in first person, but an over the shoulder third person camera works fine too. Silent Hill and Resident Evil and Siren can attest to that.
Also, given the genre, the controls are supposed to be awkward. But they're pretty damn fluid compared to Resident Evil.
Thirith on 22/6/2010 at 11:58
Quote Posted by Sulphur
I didn't have any issues with feeling 'there' regardless of the viewpoint. Survival horror might be more in your face if it's in first person, but an over the shoulder third person camera works fine too. Silent Hill and Resident Evil and Siren can attest to that.
Also, given the genre, the controls are supposed to be awkward. But they're pretty damn fluid compared to Resident Evil.
I've only played the demo, but IMO a first-person shooter is a different genre from a third-person game. It's not just a different perspective, it's a whole different feel. Saying that
Dead Space would've been better in first-person strikes me as being somewhat similar to saying that
Starcraft would've been better as a turn-based strategy game. (The two are perhaps not equally distant from each other, but it goes in the same direction.)
Koki on 22/6/2010 at 12:01
Quote Posted by Sulphur
I didn't have any issues with feeling 'there' regardless of the viewpoint. Survival horror might be more in your face if it's in first person, but an over the shoulder third person camera works fine too. Silent Hill and Resident Evil and Siren can attest to that.
Actually they can attest to exact opposite.
Sulphur on 22/6/2010 at 12:02
For you, Kokes, you can just read everything I post in exactly the opposite manner it was intended.
Quote Posted by Thirith
I've only played the demo, but IMO a first-person shooter is a different genre from a third-person game. It's not just a different perspective, it's a whole different feel. Saying that
Dead Space would've been better in first-person strikes me as being somewhat similar to saying that
Starcraft would've been better as a turn-based strategy game. (The two are perhaps not equally distant from each other, but it goes in the same direction.)
Matter of taste, basically? I get that. I wouldn't actively let it get in the way of my playing the game, though. After all, it's not like you'd spend all that time playing Starcraft wishing it was turn-based.
Nameless Voice on 22/6/2010 at 13:02
I don't actually mind third-person per se, I just much prefer first person view in most cases. It's the specific off-centre over-the-shoulder view used in Dead Space that didn't agree with me, combined with the slow and awkward controls. I strongly believe that purposefully awkward controls are not a valid gameplay mechanic.
And comparing first- and third-person view to real-time vs turn-based is simply idiotic. Are you're implying that playing Fallout 3 or Oblivion in third-person gives a completely different playing experience? It doesn't change the gameplay one bit, it just changes how you see the game a little.
Thirith on 22/6/2010 at 13:21
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
I don't actually mind third-person per se, I just much prefer first person view in most cases. It's the specific off-centre over-the-shoulder view used in Dead Space that didn't agree with me, combined with the slow and awkward controls. I strongly believe that purposefully awkward controls are
not a valid gameplay mechanic.
And comparing first- and third-person view to real-time vs turn-based is simply idiotic. Are you're implying that playing Fallout 3 or Oblivion in third-person gives a completely different playing experience? It doesn't change the gameplay one bit, it just changes how you see the game a little.
It goes further than that, though:
Dead Space is basically a survival horror game in the
Resident Evil vein, and those games are predominantly or even always third-person. They feel and play differently from a
Half-Life or
Call of Duty.
I tried playing
Resident Evil IV and didn't particularly like it, but I also think that changing the controls and the perspective wouldn't be improving the game as much as changing it from one genre into another.
