X on 12/8/2001 at 18:25
And I'm just disappointed. Ah well. To my own list.
PowerCrazy on 15/8/2001 at 23:18
I am afraid I have to disagree with all of you. Half-Life is the best game of ALL TIME. The story was very thought out and the technical aspects of it, i.e. the Nuclear Reactor, the Blast Pit, everything about it was carefully thought out. From the intro, until the very end... I LOVED Half-Life. DX is great too. But I enjoyed playing HL back in 97, even more than I enjoyed DX in 2000. But I can't wait for DX2!!!!!!
Tim Was Already Taken on 16/8/2001 at 16:48
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Originally posted by X:
<STRONG>Fair enough.
Reasons to depose Half-Life:
1. Zero replayability.
2. Poor ending.
3. Has dated badly in the face of Elite Force, Project: IGI and Serious Sam.
4. Deus Ex is a far superior game. IMO.
5. It had the potential to be the best ever. It didn't use it. Some of the aspects of retro Fps remained. In my opinion, too many.</STRONG>
6. The unbelievable irritating and stupid tomb-raider/pixel perfect jumping sections which would take days to get past followed by a couple of rooms of shooting, and then some more arsing about in air-ducts and lift-shafts.
7. The inconsistant quality - the sections with marines in them where indeed some of the best ever, but the rest wasn't especially high standard.
6 could be enough to relegate it from the top ten altogether if you were that way inclined. Oh yeah, and they let Starcrap anywhere near a top 1000, let alone a top 100. Tsk.
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Amorpheus on 16/8/2001 at 18:15
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Originally posted by Denise:
<STRONG>While normally I would agree on both Quake 3 and Half-Life not quite deserving their positions (I was bored with HL years ago, and Q3 never appealed), they won them through their moddability. Half-Life's original game has been expanded so far beyond what it was at release that it continues to be one of the most-played multiplayer games --and indeed, games period. Quake 3 is basically a tech demo, but you can see what can be done with it in Raven's product lineup.</STRONG>
Since when does an engine make a game? The list is about the games, not what can be done with them. And they don't deserve to be on some top list because others made great mods for them. Lists should be strictly about games
or mods.
I think I should comment on the list, at least on those I own and/or have played...
10) System Shock
(SS2 is my second favorite game, haven't played the first though - it was way before my time)9) Championship Manager 00/01
8) Grim Fandango
(Manuel Calavera as protagonist alone puts this in any games top 10)7) Quake III: Arena
(Ewww. While it is challenging is also gets overly repetitive...)6) Civilisation II
(Yes!)5) Counter-Strike
(See Q3A, but without the "Ewww." ;))4) Shogun: Total War The Mongol Invasion
3) Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
(I haven't played this much, but from what I saw it's friggin' big... couldn't catch me like other games though)2) Deus Ex
(#1 - 'nuff said)1) Half-Life
(nope, definately not #1 - was great when it was released, but is nothing more than a basic from-A-to-B shooter)I absolutely missed Alpha Centauri and Master Of Orion 2. :(
I'm also somewhat confused that StarCraft isn't on the list. I haven't play it myself but I only hear good things about it (besides terribly dated graphics).
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I am afraid I have to disagree with all of you. Half-Life is the best game of ALL TIME. The story was very thought out and the technical aspects of it, i.e. the Nuclear Reactor, the Blast Pit, everything about it was carefully thought out.
Yeah, like that secondary fire mode on the
pump-gun. ;)
I keep hearing about HL's story, but what story? Experiment goes wrong and aliens come in.
Doom had the same! :rolleyes:
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Tim Was Already Taken on 16/8/2001 at 21:08
Starcrap /is/ on this list (74), it just shouldn't be, because it's shit. Like the other blizzard franchise, Diablo, it's a game about numbers instead of brains: number of expansion sites, number of units, number of the units levels, the number of enery points to use on those stupid spells that replace the geniune strategic or tactical thinking in something like Shogun. The ultimate power-game.
I cuss it.
EDIT: Oh, about Quake III - I've only played the demo, and yes it was just like every other Id game, great fun but entirely lacking in depth. Question is, should a lack of depth keep a game out of the top 10?
[ August 16, 2001: Message edited by: Tim Was Already Taken ]
Amorpheus on 16/8/2001 at 21:31
Yes, afterall, I don't see Black & White or Max Payne there...
ender_sai on 17/8/2001 at 16:00
Thief should be at #1, dang it! Or Civilization. Deus Ex should be around #3, and System Shock 2 at... #2 :)
Tim Was Already Taken on 17/8/2001 at 16:59
Amorpheus: Yes? Your saying that Doom shouldn't have been in a top ten in it's time? Black & White was at 14, and Max Pyne won't have been included because it wasn't released at the time of writing, or something.
Amorpheus on 17/8/2001 at 20:00
At it's time there were two FPS games, Doom being the newer and better, while Wolfensten was the genre founder. It's atmosphere is still unmatched if you consider that it only has pixel monsters and midi music. (Ha, gotta listen to e1m1.mid right now! Ahh, that's better... ) For it's time, it was revolutionary (And you needed an 486 to run it smooth, heh.). Nowadays you don't see revolutionary games anymore, only evolutionary ones (B&W, Red Faction, Max Payne). Those deserve to be on lists if they're overall good (or better).
But I don't see Q3 deserving a spot there, at least not in the top 10. Nowadays a big name and pretty graphics must not be enough to get a game into a top 10, unless it had been revolutionary. Especially if the gameplay is sold as add-on. ;)
Tim Was Already Taken on 17/8/2001 at 21:57
Being "revolutionary" is over-rated. By that standard, only System Shock and arguably Deus Ex deserve their place in the top 10.
