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Lux on 20/3/2001 at 06:11

Well I guess Im done lurking now,
Heres my first post...

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Let me just say wassup to all the
augmented taffers here. Ive enjoyed reading this group for a while, not to mention getting valuable help.

I just finished Deus Ex the other night and
thought Id post my impressions as well as expound on my love/hate relationship with this ground-breaking game. Ill try to spare
you the overly discussed stuff.

I played through as a sort of a sneaksy crossbow master, backstaber, & boobytrapper.
I avoided almost every gun fight in the game. (because I hate the AI) and generally tried to stay unnoticed throughout.

----Small things that ruled-------

-Im sneaking around avoiding 3 MJ12 Commandos
and a WIB, when I bump into a burningbarrel.
"Oww!!!, hot"
Yeah they heard me..
Damn, Im busted....

-That is sweet game immersion.

-Facing a dilemma of whether to use tools,
to disable the electric field to my left.
OR
use picks to free the repairbot to my right
I freed the bot, (in need of energy) and
after my recharge the little guy proceeded
to shut down the electric field for me as
well.
-Nice touch.

-PowerRecirc + Cloak + RunSilent..nuff said.

-Spider Bots

-Throwing Knives, there small and they rule.

-The way conversations differed depending on
the state of things.
On your way in to some facility, a certain
civy would help you gain access, but if you
found him on the way out instead, he would
help you escape.

-The way the music adds to the experience
and tension. (I personally dont like the
music, but in the game it rules)

-The DuClare chick telling me how she lost
here virginity out here.

-Setting traps under alarm panels.
Gets em everytime.

-Stealth pistol mastery + Targeting Aug

--------Small things that sucked---------

-The combat AI... (headless chickens?)

-Model animation, dont get me wrong, some
of them were nice (MJ12 Com, All bots).
But in a game this real I would like to see
motion capture models like in Hitman or
Soldier of fortune. Disagree?

-More time critical missions. I like to take
my time and enjoy every bit of a game, but
some objectives with time limits would have
fit well I think. (rescue @ the gas station)

-I had a problem with alot of the weapon
sounds. Pistol and Assrifle mostly.
As a pistol master I never even touched the
pistol because of that wretched noise it
makes.

-More devious stuff for hackers to do.
Or maybe more occasions to do it.
I only got to take control of the bots
once or twice. And only a few spots where
turrets did anything I couldnt do myself.
(Releasing the bot on the monsters on the
floor of the final level was fun.)

-Full screen sniper view would be nice
ala hitman/sof

-Demolition and trapping should be less of
a support skill and more of a viable weapon
skill. I say that because grenades were
scarce.

-Where are the different types of toxins
for my pepper gun, like its description says
(Im sure everyone cares bout this one, hehe)

Ahh...I could go all night.
Just had to get that out.
I feel better now.
Lux out.

frozenman on 20/3/2001 at 22:28

A semi-skill related hacking system like SS2's would have been nice.

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melak on 21/3/2001 at 21:07

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When I fought Walton Simons in the lab, I did some serious damage to him, then he said "impressive" and vanished. Because I had been using explosives to kill him, I thought I had blasted him to bits and those were his dying words.

Then I went to the next room and heard him say something. I turned around and even though he was cloaked, he was standing in an electric field and I could see his outline. A single shot to the head finished him off.

I thought the interaction between the cloak and the electric field was a really cool thing for the designers to come up with.

If only the AI could have been a bit better... it is still a great game, though.

Agent Monkeysee on 21/3/2001 at 22:54

Quote:

Originally posted by melak:
I thought the interaction between the cloak and the electric field was a really cool thing for the designers to come up with.

What's that? I don't think I encountered it.

O.T.2000 on 21/3/2001 at 23:42

There is no Hate for Deus Ex. Only Love. Deus Ex can do no wrong. No Wrong!

I think most people can see that I enjoy this game very much, thank you.

Grundbegriff on 22/3/2001 at 01:49

Quote:

Originally posted by frozenman:
A semi-skill related hacking system like SS2's would have been nice.

Hacking in SS2 is entirely a function of the player's stats, which yield a percentage chance that a given node will respond well.

Cheers,

G.

melak on 22/3/2001 at 20:21

I didn't want to mention much lest I spoil someone but...

spoilers
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Next to the cavelike area where Walton Simons shows up, there is a room with an electrical malfunction and an electric arc going across part of the room.

After I fought with Walton, I left the cavelike area, and he followed me under cloak. When I entered the room, he followed me and happened to stand in the electric arc. I probably wouldn't have noticed except that he said something.

When I turned around, there he was silouhetted by the electic arc. So I whacked him.

The reason why I thought the effect was impressive was precisely because of how it was unlikely to occur, yet someone thought about it and programmed it in.

frozenman on 22/3/2001 at 23:11

Hacking in SS2 felt more satisfying than DX for some reason. I say semi-skill related because in DX all it requires is that you pull out the multi tool and press and hold. In SS2 you had to at least apply a tiny degree of thought to hack it. It may have required less thought the more advanced you got, but it still required some attention to be payed.

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trophy1 on 23/3/2001 at 00:24

Quote:

Originally posted by melak:
I didn't want to mention much lest I spoil someone but...

spoilers
.
.
.
.
.
.

Next to the cavelike area where Walton Simons shows up, there is a room with an electrical malfunction and an electric arc going across part of the room.

After I fought with Walton, I left the cavelike area, and he followed me under cloak. When I entered the room, he followed me and happened to stand in the electric arc. I probably wouldn't have noticed except that he said something.

When I turned around, there he was silouhetted by the electic arc. So I whacked him.

The reason why I thought the effect was impressive was precisely because of how it was unlikely to occur, yet someone thought about it and programmed it in.

You know what happened with Simons once when I ran from him in the cave I went into the water to get away and he turned up with a crossbow. He chased me all around in the water until I got away. I first I thought it was one of the guards that is usually there waiting for you at the sub bay but it was Simons because he kept talking and taunting me.

BJ