did I miss something??? thief 1.19???

PinkDot on 16/3/2013 at 12:16

Quote Posted by LarryG

Did you try reading the release notes? Right near the top:

Quote:

Note to anyone with multiple GPUs or display devices:
Due to a bug fix the game may now end up using the "wrong" device (again), or rather the correct
device because it previously used the wrong. Go to the Video options menu and change the device
under "Hardware Driver". Alternatively edit "cam.cfg" and remove the line "d3d_driver_index"
to restore default device usage.

Thanks Larry - I skipped that part for some reason.
But now I have tried both solutions, and they don't seem to be doing any difference.
I narrowed it down to be the issue with "use_d3d_display" option in cam_ext.cfg. If I turn it off, the correct monitor is being used. Once it's ON, it switches to a wrong one.

kdau on 16/3/2013 at 16:48

Quote Posted by Telliamed

Seems like there's a newish format for fonts, 8-bit anti-aliased. Guess I'll have to update the font tool. Maybe put out a fancier editor. But damn if I'm not already way behind on getting DarkLoader working again.

I'm not sure if you noticed, given how buried it is, but there's actually a (source) patch to your font tool in the NewDark distro (it's in fonttools_aa256_patch.zip inside contrib_editor_demos.zip). The patched thieffon.exe seems to work fine, but the patched wfon.exe hangs for me when it tries to actually generate the bitmap, so that code probably needs some scrutiny.

LarryG on 16/3/2013 at 17:14

Quote Posted by PinkDot

You tried going into video options with both DromEd and Thief separately and changed "Hardware Driver" to the other device? If you only tried one of the two, try the other and see what it does. Maybe multiple monitors only work in one?

Telliamed on 16/3/2013 at 17:40

Quote Posted by kdau

The patched thieffon.exe seems to work fine, but the patched wfon.exe hangs for me when it tries to actually generate the bitmap, so that code probably needs some scrutiny.

Which is why I have to make a new one. It seemed to be rather hastily slapped together.

I should probably also fix ParchEd.

Thor on 16/3/2013 at 19:26

Hey guys, I don't know if this problem is known and solved.
I was trying out dromed 1.20 and it kinda works. I have this cool console that tells me some stuff I (dromed) did, the title thing says dromed 1.20, but when I go ingame, I am met with the same limitations as with 1.18 (in menu gamma doesn't change within the menu itself as I slide it around and I can't mantle up on tight spots).
Same with dromed 1.19. What to do, I wonder?

kdau on 16/3/2013 at 19:33

Quote Posted by Thor

I'm not sure about the gamma setting, but the new mantling style isn't enabled by default. In cam_ext.cfg, you just need to uncomment (remove the semicolon from the front of) the new_mantle line.

Telliamed on 16/3/2013 at 20:51

Quote Posted by kdau

Thanks, good to know that's available---it should probably be listed in one of the stickies. But I actually mean one that checks the version of thief2.exe, not just one that checks versions of OSMs but is compatible with NewDark. Now that there is more than one NewDark version out there, we could potentially need to worry about both engine and OSM versions. I suppose it would make sense to just extend VersionCheck to accept a parameter such as GameVersion=1.20 in addition to script module names.

You should be able to give "thief2.exe=1.2" to VersionCheck.

Okay, proposal to the developers for integrating version checking and feature detection.

1. Add version information to ScrModules. The new struct will look like:

Code:

struct ScrModules2 {
char osm[32]; /* Name of the module, .OSM is optional */
boolean required; /* Fail to load the mission if the module isn't available */
char version[12]; /* required version of the OSM */
char homepage[80]; /* URI where you can get the OSM, for showing in an error message */
};

This is backward compatible (assuming the file writer properly zeroed-out the block).

2. Stop using "script_load" to edit modules. I hate that command. Make a dialog box that does everything.

3. Add a mission property "EngineFeat" that is a bitmask of things the engine needs to support to play the mission. (Should probably at least 128 bits for future expansion.) If the game sees an unfamiliar flag set, it doesn't load the mission. Obviously this should only be used for things that will break the mission if they aren't supported. Dromed can automagically set flags it knows are needed, but something like a new model format would have to be set manually.

4. Expose supported engine features in the Version script service. This includes optional flags that wouldn't be included in the above "EngineFeat" bitmask.

5. New property Script\VersionCheck that checks the version of the game, a script, or the presence of an engine feature and sends a script message to the object. It can either send TurnOn/TurnOff or it can delete the object. No additional script or linkage required like with the current script. Each object that has to change its behavior will have the property. The idea is so a mission can still function without the feature by acting differently or just deleting the objects that need it.

6. Namespaces in script names. When two OSMs with the same name are loaded, the game "randomly" picks which to use. Instead, script name could be given as "osm.script" to load it from a specific module. Internally, all names are fully-qualified. (I also thought about using ':' or '\' as the separator but '.' is more common and easiest to type I think.)

7. New property Script\OnSim that sends TurnOn to the object like TrigSim but without taking up a useless object. Has a flag to send the trigger once when the game starts, or every time the mission is loaded.

Thor on 16/3/2013 at 22:42

Quote Posted by kdau

I'm not sure about the gamma setting, but the new mantling style isn't enabled by default. In cam_ext.cfg, you just need to uncomment (remove the semicolon from the front of) the new_mantle line.

Hey, thanks, that actually worked. Weird about the gamma, though.

And what is the point of releasing a patch in "disabled" mode? Now I don't know what to enable and what not. Subsequentially it's good for me as I will learn the features, but still why do that. Guess I'm a noob for that not being obvious to me.

kdau on 16/3/2013 at 22:53

Quote Posted by Thor

Yeah, I'm sure it was a hard decision for The Raven not to have it on by default after all that work. But new_mantle allows a lot of new types "cheating" for the OMs and pre-NewDark FMs: you can get through windows without crates under them, reach places from either side when you should only be able to reach them from one side, climb up onto clearly illogical things like lit torches and spiky fences, etc. For my own work, I've had to add the non-mantleable property to eight different types of object, in addition to building ledges and such differently than I would have with 1.18. So as great as new_mantle is when someone's designed for it, it's still a trade-off for gameplay.

PinkDot on 17/3/2013 at 00:04

Quote Posted by LarryG

Yes, I just tried with Thief2.exe - it seems to act identically to the Game Mode from Dromed - it launches on the other monitor.
I went into Hardware options - it gives me two identical options - two times name of my GFX card. No matter which one I choose - same thing happens.
I deleted the line 'd3d_driver_index 0' from cam.cfg file - it gets added whenever I run THief2.exe/Game Mode again.

I found some files called Thief2.txt in the main Thief2 folder, created whenever I run Thief, which might have some interesting info:

This is when I use DX6 (use_d3d_display commented out in cam_ext.cfg):

Code:

: PID: 5512
: CPU: arch=x86-64 , fam=586 , cpus=8
: SIMD: SSE=3 , 3DNow=0
: OS Version: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3
: Desktop resolution: 1920 x 1200
: Virtual desktop resolution: 3200 x 1200
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: CWD: D:\Thief2119
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: App Version: Thief 2 Final 1.20
: --------------------- misc config -------------------------
: resname_base .\EP+.\FMs\Krzys+D:\Thief2119\res
: cd_path D:\
: load_path D:\Thief2119
: script_module_path D:\Thief2119
: movie_path D:\Thief2119\movies
: install_path D:\Thief2119
: language english
: game_screen_size 1280 1024
: game_screen_depth 32
: game_screen_flags 45
: game_full_screen 1
: d3d_driver_index 1
: game_hardware 1
: single_display_mode 3
: ui_scale_mode 2
: framerate_cap 100.0
: SlowFrame 4
: SlowFrameUI 10
: force_32bit
: force_32bit_textures
: mipmap_mode 2
: lm_mipmap_mode 0
: lm_init_texmem 2
: lm_filter_margin 1
: disable_lightmap_aniso
: tex_edge_padding 2
: alpha_test_as_opaque
: d3d_disp_enable_hdr 32
: multisampletype 8
: postprocess 1
: d3d_disp_enable_distortionfx
: sfx_device 1
: sfx_channels 12
: sfx_vol_music -474
: sfx_vol_2d 0
: sfx_vol_3d 0
: game dark
: obj_min -8192
: obj_max 2400
: max_refs 14000
: gui_font intrface\smalfont
: enhanced_sky 1
: skip_intro
: new_mantle
: z_far 512
: wr_render_zcomp
: render_weapon_particles
: legacy_force_match_unrefs 0
: dark_zcomp_arm
: edit_screen_size 1680, 1050
: edit_screen_depth 16
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: Enumerating DX6 adapters...
: Adapter "display"
: descr : Primary Display Driver
: Modes
: 640 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 576 x 32
: 800 x 600 x 32
: 1024 x 768 x 32
: 1152 x 864 x 32
: 1280 x 720 x 32
: 1280 x 768 x 32
: 1280 x 800 x 32
: 1280 x 960 x 32
: 1280 x 1024 x 32
: 1360 x 768 x 32
: 1366 x 768 x 32
: 1600 x 900 x 32
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 32 (not in mode table)
: 1600 x 1200 x 32
: 1680 x 1050 x 32
: 1920 x 1080 x 32
: 1920 x 1200 x 32
: 640 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 576 x 16
: 800 x 600 x 16
: 1024 x 768 x 16
: 1152 x 864 x 16
: 1280 x 720 x 16
: 1280 x 768 x 16
: 1280 x 800 x 16
: 1280 x 960 x 16
: 1280 x 1024 x 16
: 1360 x 768 x 16
: 1366 x 768 x 16
: 1600 x 900 x 16
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 16 (not in mode table)
: 1600 x 1200 x 16
: 1680 x 1050 x 16
: 1920 x 1080 x 16
: 1920 x 1200 x 16
: 640 x 480 x 8
: unsupported mode 720 x 480 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 720 x 576 x 8 (not in mode table)
: 800 x 600 x 8
: 1024 x 768 x 8
: unsupported mode 1152 x 864 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1280 x 720 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1280 x 768 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1280 x 800 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1280 x 960 x 8 (not in mode table)
: 1280 x 1024 x 8
: unsupported mode 1360 x 768 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1366 x 768 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1600 x 900 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 8 (not in mode table)
: 1600 x 1200 x 8
: unsupported mode 1680 x 1050 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1920 x 1080 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1920 x 1200 x 8 (not in mode table)
: Enumerating 3D devices...
: Device "RGB Emulation"
: descr : Microsoft Direct3D RGB Software Emulation
: device guid: A4665C60-2673-11CF-A31A-00AA00B9
: Device Validation
: ** failed, no HW support
: Device "Direct3D HAL"
: descr : Microsoft Direct3D Hardware acceleration through Direct3D HAL
: device guid: 84E63DE0-46AA-11CF-816F-0000C020
: Device Validation
: validated ok, device added (0, E790000)
: Enumeration done
: Enumeration done
: DDProvider: Enumerating modes
: 640 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 576 x 32
: 800 x 600 x 32
: 1024 x 768 x 32
: 1152 x 864 x 32
: 1280 x 720 x 32
: 1280 x 768 x 32
: 1280 x 800 x 32
: 1280 x 960 x 32
: 1280 x 1024 x 32
: 1360 x 768 x 32
: 1366 x 768 x 32
: 1600 x 900 x 32
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 32 (not in mode table)
: 1600 x 1200 x 32
: 1680 x 1050 x 32
: 1920 x 1080 x 32
: 1920 x 1200 x 32
: 640 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 576 x 16
: 800 x 600 x 16
: 1024 x 768 x 16
: 1152 x 864 x 16
: 1280 x 720 x 16
: 1280 x 768 x 16
: 1280 x 800 x 16
: 1280 x 960 x 16
: 1280 x 1024 x 16
: 1360 x 768 x 16
: 1366 x 768 x 16
: 1600 x 900 x 16
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 16 (not in mode table)
: 1600 x 1200 x 16
: 1680 x 1050 x 16
: 1920 x 1080 x 16
: 1920 x 1200 x 16
: 640 x 480 x 8
: unsupported mode 720 x 480 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 720 x 576 x 8 (not in mode table)
: 800 x 600 x 8
: 1024 x 768 x 8
: unsupported mode 1152 x 864 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1280 x 720 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1280 x 768 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1280 x 800 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1280 x 960 x 8 (not in mode table)
: 1280 x 1024 x 8
: unsupported mode 1360 x 768 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1366 x 768 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1600 x 900 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 8 (not in mode table)
: 1600 x 1200 x 8
: unsupported mode 1680 x 1050 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1920 x 1080 x 8 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1920 x 1200 x 8 (not in mode table)
: DDProvider: Enumeration done
: sw framerate cap requested (10000 us)
: DDProviderFixed StartMode: smode 1280x1024x32 ; mode 640x480x32 (5 9 0 2D)

This behaves normally - THief launches on the main, widescreen monitor in whatever resolution I want.

And this is when DX9 is on (use_d3d_display is active):

Code:

: PID: 2356
: CPU: arch=x86-64 , fam=586 , cpus=8
: SIMD: SSE=3 , 3DNow=0
: OS Version: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3
: Desktop resolution: 1920 x 1200
: Virtual desktop resolution: 3200 x 1200
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: CWD: D:\Thief2119
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: App Version: Thief 2 Final 1.20
: --------------------- misc config -------------------------
: resname_base .\EP+.\FMs\Krzys+D:\Thief2119\res
: cd_path D:\
: load_path D:\Thief2119
: script_module_path D:\Thief2119
: movie_path D:\Thief2119\movies
: install_path D:\Thief2119
: language english
: game_screen_size 1280 1024
: game_screen_depth 32
: game_screen_flags 45
: game_full_screen 1
: game_hardware 1
: single_display_mode 3
: ui_scale_mode 2
: use_d3d_display
: framerate_cap 100.0
: SlowFrame 4
: SlowFrameUI 10
: force_32bit
: force_32bit_textures
: mipmap_mode 2
: lm_mipmap_mode 0
: lm_init_texmem 2
: lm_filter_margin 1
: disable_lightmap_aniso
: tex_edge_padding 2
: alpha_test_as_opaque
: d3d_disp_enable_hdr 32
: multisampletype 8
: postprocess 1
: d3d_disp_enable_distortionfx
: sfx_device 1
: sfx_channels 12
: sfx_vol_music -474
: sfx_vol_2d 0
: sfx_vol_3d 0
: game dark
: obj_min -8192
: obj_max 2400
: max_refs 14000
: gui_font intrface\smalfont
: enhanced_sky 1
: skip_intro
: new_mantle
: z_far 512
: wr_render_zcomp
: render_weapon_particles
: legacy_force_match_unrefs 0
: dark_zcomp_arm
: edit_screen_size 1680, 1050
: edit_screen_depth 16
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: Enumerating D3D9 adapters (2)...
: Adapter 0
: device name: \\.\DISPLAY1
: driver : nvd3dum.dll
: descr : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285
: driver ver : 0x00090012-000D02B9
: vendor id : 0x000010DE
: device id : 0x000005E3
: subsys id : 0x82E81043
: device guid: D7B71E3E-46A3-11CF-4A71-E5A21CC2
: Modes
: 640 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 576 x 16
: 800 x 600 x 16
: 1024 x 768 x 16
: 1152 x 864 x 16
: 1280 x 720 x 16
: 1280 x 768 x 16
: 1280 x 800 x 16
: 1280 x 960 x 16
: 1280 x 1024 x 16
: 1360 x 768 x 16
: 1366 x 768 x 16
: 1600 x 900 x 16
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 16 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 16 (not in mode table)
: 1600 x 1200 x 16
: 1680 x 1050 x 16
: 1920 x 1080 x 16
: 1920 x 1200 x 16
: 640 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 576 x 32
: 800 x 600 x 32
: 1024 x 768 x 32
: 1152 x 864 x 32
: 1280 x 720 x 32
: 1280 x 768 x 32
: 1280 x 800 x 32
: 1280 x 960 x 32
: 1280 x 1024 x 32
: 1360 x 768 x 32
: 1366 x 768 x 32
: 1600 x 900 x 32
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 32 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 32 (not in mode table)
: 1600 x 1200 x 32
: 1680 x 1050 x 32
: 1920 x 1080 x 32
: 1920 x 1200 x 32
: Device Validation
: validated ok, device added (0, E390000)
: Adapter 1
: device name: \\.\DISPLAY2
: driver : nvd3dum.dll
: descr : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285
: driver ver : 0x00090012-000D02B9
: vendor id : 0x000010DE
: device id : 0x000005E3
: subsys id : 0x82E81043
: device guid: D7B71E3E-46A3-11CF-4A71-E5A21CC2
: Modes
: 1280 x 1024 x 16
: 640 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 576 x 16
: 800 x 600 x 16
: 1024 x 768 x 16
: 1152 x 864 x 16
: 1280 x 720 x 16
: 1280 x 768 x 16
: 1280 x 800 x 16
: 1280 x 960 x 16
: 1280 x 1024 x 32
: 640 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 576 x 32
: 800 x 600 x 32
: 1024 x 768 x 32
: 1152 x 864 x 32
: 1280 x 720 x 32
: 1280 x 768 x 32
: 1280 x 800 x 32
: 1280 x 960 x 32
: Device Validation
: validated ok, device added (1, E390000)
: Enumeration done
: D3DProvider: Enumerating adapter 1 modes
: 1280 x 1024 x 16
: 640 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 480 x 16
: 720 x 576 x 16
: 800 x 600 x 16
: 1024 x 768 x 16
: 1152 x 864 x 16
: 1280 x 720 x 16
: 1280 x 768 x 16
: 1280 x 800 x 16
: 1280 x 960 x 16
: 1280 x 1024 x 32
: 640 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 576 x 32
: 800 x 600 x 32
: 1024 x 768 x 32
: 1152 x 864 x 32
: 1280 x 720 x 32
: 1280 x 768 x 32
: 1280 x 800 x 32
: 1280 x 960 x 32
: D3DProvider: Enumeration done
: sw framerate cap requested (10000 us)
: D3DProvider StartMode: smode 1280x1024x32 ; mode 640x480x32 (5 9 0 2D) ; 2d_surf_mode: 0
: CreateDevice: res = D3D_OK ; 1280x1024 fmt=22 zfmt=75 cnt=2 ms=8 swap=1 fs=1 hz=0 pres=1 flags=2

So for some reason, at the end it always enumerates adapter 1 modes (which is my secondary, 4:3 monitor), no matter what 'd3d_driver_index' command says. (I guess it refers to the same numbers of adapters/displays, as dumped in Thief2.txt file).