Digging Deep; The little things in Thief you never quite accepted... - by TheGrimSmile
Paper Carnival on 22/8/2008 at 22:15
What I don't like is how the ledge grabbing is always buggy (especially in TDS, it's a nightmare there). It doesn't always work, and there were so many times when it could have saved me a lot of trouble.
As for the deer leg thing... Come on, it's a video game. If you want realism, go ahead and loot a real house. If the game was realistic not everyone would talk to themselves, and many beasts would be able to smell your presence. Also, everyone has a human vision and hearing. I'd think apparitions would be able to see in the dark, or the zombies to be too short sighted etc. But all this doesn't bother me because it's a game, and it's actually more fun this way.
One thing that bothers me is when I'm trying to deliberately attract attention, don't have or don't want to use noise arrows, and I'm stepping on a very soft ground. Why can't I just hit the wall with the blackjack? Some other times, when I do attract attention (jump up and down like a madman), the guard doesn't approach near enough.
jtr7 on 22/8/2008 at 23:37
Using all those excess broadheads instead of noisemaker arrows works as far as gameplay, but yeah, were the devs saving us (or themselves!) computing time by having the sword or blackjack miss colliding with terrain?
Another for realism, Garrett could've just yelled "Hey!" :p
The Hammers lived with the Eye, and interacted with it long enough to have made notes. If the Eye had any part in the Cataclysm, knowledge of it would be preserved by the survivors. The Hammers could've imbued the fake Eye with the Builder's Blessing. There's no evidence against that, and I'd like to believe that's why the intended destruction, meant to stop the Trickster, did in fact stop him--enough for the Hammers and Keepers to declare him dead. Time had to pass for the Hammers to battle the Trickster's army, do some research, craft the fake Eye, and for Garrett to go to the store and gear up, before stepping into the Maw through the portal the minions were streaming into The City from.
Acorn on 2/9/2008 at 11:35
Thats exactly what we need. A "Hey!" button on the keyboard controls for thief pc games. Maybe the P key..
Makatak on 29/9/2008 at 15:00
I'm not as that deeply involved in the Thief storyline as some, but one thing that puzzled me in Thief 2:
Garrett gets all upset when Viktoria mentions Markham's Isle, because she already knew about it (but wasn't SURE until after the Party mission). But when he goes there, gets on the sub, grumbles about how he hopes this is all worth it (in cutscene), gets Cavador, comes back. And the guy spills his guts and she says "it wasn't really necessary" or some such, and then talks about masks and how there efforts to secure a mask (meaning her agents were already working on it) were frustrating...well anyways, shouldn't Garrett explode like a frogbeast or something?:p
Zillameth on 29/9/2008 at 18:20
It's just a proof there was a love affair between them. With love comes patience.
Sorry, couldn't resist :p
Gambit on 29/9/2008 at 20:35
Maybe the pagan agents where looking for anything related to the Mechanists, including masks.
Getting Cavador was the key to discover that they should focus all their search and spying precisely on the masks, because now they knew it was VITAL for Karras plans.
Makatak on 29/9/2008 at 22:08
And how does Garrett make it back up to the streets from the Lost City (1st visit down there)? When I first played that level in the 1st Thief game, I was puzzled as to how I am supposed to leave, given that I went down river to get there. I went back the way I came to see if there was a backdoor, so-to-speak. But then I reached the waterfall area and I got the "Mission Complete" I was like "huh? how does he get back up?"
jtr7 on 29/9/2008 at 22:56
If he'd had the Talisman of Air, I could see him struggling upstream from the area above with the spiders once he climbed the ledge/steps back up, but he didn't have it yet.:p
TheGrimSmile on 30/9/2008 at 01:31
I guess I can't say much about it XD Stupid TG disc >.>
So, I was thinking...
I know the Kurshocks' story and stuff of how they ended up underground, but where did they come from before that? Is there any mention of kurchocks in the other games?
Also, I know that the Ratmen didn't really side with the Kurshock, but were they allowed to live down there? There was no shortage of ratmen in the tunnels, and they only fight was the understandable anger of a ratman planning to eat a Kurshock egg (they sure said it loud enough...) And I thought the ratmen were minions of the Trickster, so did they just branch out after he was gone?
Lastly, where was the thing big enough to get those eggs out?
jtr7 on 30/9/2008 at 01:46
Quote Posted by TheGrimSmile
I know the Kurshocks' story and stuff of how they ended up underground, but where did they come from before that? Is there any mention of kurchocks in the other games?
No mention of the Kurshok in any other game, although there are Lost City mask textures in the media files that have fish faces (with puckered lips, though). :D
This is a fun thread, here, but the images are dying now.
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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107560&highlight=Kurshok)
DJ Riff's got some images (the masks are out of order, it should look like a transition from man to fish):
Inline Image:
http://djriff.newmail.ru/thief/Precursors/Precursor_3mask.pngQuote Posted by TheGrimSmile
Also, I know that the Ratmen didn't really side with the Kurshock, but were they allowed to live down there? There was no shortage of ratmen in the tunnels, and they only fight was the understandable anger of a ratman planning to eat a Kurshock egg (they sure said it loud enough...) And I thought the ratmen were minions of the Trickster, so did they just branch out after he was gone?
I wouldn't put it past the Trickster to have the RatBeasts plague the Kurshok and eat their eggs (population control, heh). Don't forget, there were never any ratmen. They were monkeys and mistakenly called ApeBeasts. They are called monkeys in the media files. The fans mistook them for humanoid rats and made the Ratman name up. It wouldn't surprise me if that was where T3's RatBeasts came from--that fan myth. As far as we know, the RatBeasts haven't been seen or spoken about anywhere else.
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Lastly, where was the thing big enough to get those eggs out?
One wonders. Were there any signs of male and female, either?
