Fafhrd on 17/2/2012 at 01:45
I suspect 'THERE ARE NO LOCKED DOORS IN MY HOUSE YOUNG LADY' is frequently screamed in that household.
jimjack on 17/2/2012 at 01:47
If it doesn't fit your personal idea of parenting, that doesn't make him wrong. Personally I think it will help open up a dialogue between parents and their kids everywhere!
This mum uses knives!
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http://youtu.be/4S8cNrIR5ac)
jay pettitt on 17/2/2012 at 01:49
Quote:
I suspect 'THERE ARE NO LOCKED DOORS IN MY HOUSE YOUNG LADY' is frequently screamed in that household.
Shortly before shootin the hinges right off with 'splodin holla rounds.
Koki on 17/2/2012 at 06:27
Quote Posted by Aerothorn
But this isn't true, is it? If I buy my girlfriend a car, and later we break up, I don't get to go slash her tires because "I paid for it," do I?
Actually if she breaks up/it's her fault you should totally do that
Also record it and post on her Facebook Wall
june gloom on 17/2/2012 at 06:33
You've never had a girlfriend, have you Kokes?
Actually, wrong question.
You don't really function very well in society, do you Kokes?
demagogue on 17/2/2012 at 07:16
Quote Posted by PigLick
I'm waiting breathlessly to hear what koki has to say about disciplining teenage girls
I have no doubt Koki has a lot to say about disciplining teenage girls. He mulls it over as he cruises by high schools slowly in his car.
Nicker on 17/2/2012 at 09:03
Quote Posted by Koki
(future) Permissive parents being butthurt about authoritative parents
His behaviour isn't authoritative it is authoritarian. He’s being a bigger, meaner, bitchier kid than his kid.
He is asserting his superior physical power, his control of her "bio survival tickets" and her security by using violence (violence to a person’s possessions, even if they were your gifts, is violence directed at them). He’s telling her to be mature while acting like a toddler (with a gun). That’s sibling politics not adult conduct. It’s a great method for cursing your bloodline with eternal adolescence.
Authoritative would be to demonstrate by example, how adults resolve differences. I would hope that includes keeping your guns (or fire axes) holstered.
Everybody else (just about), thank you for restoring my faith in humanity or at least TTLG. Wonderful food for thought, as per usual.
Some of my opening statement may have sounded like hyperbole but I honestly wasn't trying to hijack anyone's emotions. I really was shocked at the baying of the mob and the vitriol directed at anyone suggesting that the pistol poppa was anything less than a saint of modern parenthood.
Kolya on 17/2/2012 at 09:46
Anyone who's ever seen what a cup of coffee does to a laptop has to wonder about this guy.
While we're speaking about fathers hacking their daughter's computers: There was a case here in Germany lately with a federal cop who installed a trojan on his daughter's computer to spy after her. Her hacker boyfriend noticed it though, he uninstalled the trojan and started a retaliation hack on the father's own computer. It then turned out that the cop was keeping official mails on this private computer, which revealed passwords to a major federal police server that the hacker promptly compromised. And that's how the whole thing made the news.
Now
that is a good story.
In German: (
http://www.golem.de/1201/88870.html)
heywood on 17/2/2012 at 11:03
Quote Posted by demagogue
I'm the most anti-authoritarian demagogue you'll ever know. ;)
That's the real secret of my seductive message.
I have to elaborate what I meant I guess.
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Appreciate your response and I mostly agree with you. Certainly about moral absolutism, being grounded, compassionate, venturing out of your comfort zone to broaden your horizons and have your beliefs challenged. Wish I had time to elaborate further.
Would you feel any different if it were just a father's lecture to his daughter, instead of being posted to Facebook and then going viral? It comes across now like he's lecturing a wide audience, but I'm not sure that was the intent.
The one thing I disagree with is that the father should have accepted it because nothing on the internet is serious. I disagree with it on two grounds. First, there are lots of serious things on the internet. Even social networking for kids can get serious as demonstrated by suicides, stalkings, kidnappings, and lots of cyberbullying problems. Second, I really believe that social norms which we've developed over history to govern how we behave towards others and communicate with eachother are important to hold society together. And if we don't apply them to the internet, we're going to watch our society gradually devolve, fragment, and reform into something a lot less communal and stable. But maybe I'm just growing old too soon.
Quote Posted by Kolya
I whole heartedly agree with what Fafhrd said about changing our notions of privacy. In fact I've made the point here about a year ago that privacy isn't what you cannot see, but that which you obviously weren't meant to see. People used to know that. A couple who's kissing on a park bench doesn't do it so every promenader will stop and watch. If they did you'd rightfully ask them what the hell is wrong with them and their manners. Yet on the internet this is turned around and it's made the fault of person who didn't hide and secure their privacy enough, instead of the stalking party.
For a while I thought this is just part of the general public adapting to this new internet stuff, but the status quo doesn't seem to change. Instead the responsibility to do increasingly intricate personality management is handed to the individual - that is to put up a digital façade for outsiders and do your private stuff pseudonymously or otherwise hidden.
I guess most people cannot even see what's wrong with that. But enforced personality management (and with such dire consequences on the net) is a psychological stress factor and limits our freedom of expression severely. A freedom that we could give each other.
I can see what's wrong with that. But generations who grew up with the internet don't have the same appreciation of privacy that older generations do. So privacy protection just seems like a losing battle.
Anyway, it's naive to think something you put in a Facebook status update visible to 450 people is private.
I mean, nothing you post there is really private. Your privacy is at the whim of the company and Facebook has a bad track record. Their privacy policy changes. They periodically redesign the site. They have bugs that break privacy controls. They've been accused of changing user's privacy settings without notice. Facebook accounts get hacked all the time. Facebook status updates get quoted in blogs; there are websites dedicated to them. Status updates and photos from Facebook get circulated around the web. Teenage girls get their shit plastered all over chan sites. It's fucking
Facebook for fuck's sake.
Besides all that, you can't tell anything to 450 people anywhere and expect it to stop there. At least not if it's in any way interesting or amusing. You may as well tack it to a bulletin board in the center of town.
Quote Posted by Muzman
Without knowing what she's like in person it's hard to judge. But if chief among her crimes is swearing, exaggeration and disrespecting her parents in public (in which its debatable it's actually in public) then it's all a bit much. Maybe that is a Good ol' Boy thing, I dunno. What he's doing is still the 2012 equivalent of hovering over her and her friends, eavesdropping while they're talking shit at the mall. Or listening in on the other line while they gab upstairs in your enourmous sitcom house. There's technical reasons why it's not quite the same and both parties are being naive about it to some extent. But socially speaking this is the same thing.
Maybe she doesn't 'act like she's 15' because she's not treated like she's 15?
Not that this matters much, but according to the father he didn't "hack" her Facebook. He says the family dog has a Facebook page and he saw the daughter's post when he logged into the dog's account to upload photos. Apparently, she hadn't set the dog to "Family".
See father's response here:
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100774/Tommy-Jordan-Police-pay-visit-father-shot-daughters-laptop-viral-video-Facebook-complaint--thank-him.html)
I still don't understand why he wouldn't start with a more reasoned response, like a face to face discussion and some loss of priveleges. I guess if this was the latest in a long series of bad internet behaviors and more conventional punishments were failing, then I could see raising the stakes somehow (albeit without the gun and destroying the laptop).
Koki on 17/2/2012 at 11:05
Quote Posted by demagogue
I have no doubt Koki has a lot to say about disciplining teenage girls. He mulls it over as he cruises by high schools slowly in his car.
That's so eighties.
Nowodays all you need is a shopping mall and a cellphone with Bluetooth.
