RavynousHunter on 20/3/2009 at 02:44
Quote Posted by jtr7
Or there were, and we never took Garrett into a convent.
You do realize what you've just done, right? :cheeky:
Myth on 20/3/2009 at 02:50
This is all good and well, and i agree that the Mechanists were above all else, a splinter group and a cult. However, as i mentioned, Mechanist priestesses used to fire cog-shaped objects at Garret, thus implying that they could channel the builder's energy. I doubt Hammerite and Mechanist clergy used magic for their ranged attacks, thus leaving the Builder's divine energy as the source. So if the Mechanist girls could tap in to that. Hammerite girls would have no trouble doing so (at least in the eyes of the Builder). :)
jtr7 on 20/3/2009 at 03:29
RH, that was for you!:ebil:
The common argument is that the energy and art for conjuring is common to the world and the people, and a few have a propensity for grasping it, and the belief system of a person is only a factor for their focus, and a motivation for their purpose, but what they draw from is naturally available, not a divine gift.
Myth on 20/3/2009 at 11:24
So you meant to say that a Pagan Shaman, a Hammerite Preist and a Mage all use essentially the same power? Mages seem to channel heavily element-dependant powers at least..
jtr7 on 20/3/2009 at 12:54
Yeah. Shamans, Hammerite Priests, Mechanist Priests and Priestesses, and all apparitions use the same energy and general conjuration skills, but the Hand Mages have developed their skills to represent a strong elemental variety, and they come from the East, beyond The City, and seem to be utterly obsessive about their elemental studies. Until the wands appeared in TDS, everyone and everything with conjuring magic used their hands. The TDS Keepers are seen using their hands to write Glyphs on walls or in the air, but the Elders carry wands. The wands introduce something new, and all teh factions carry wands. Oddly, TMA Dyan's magical staff was only mentioned in a TDS text, and they just gave her a common wand in TDS.
RavynousHunter on 20/3/2009 at 16:33
And here I thought the magic in Thief had a level of separation similar to that found in D&D. That being that the Hand Magi and Keepers used (their own flavors of) arcane magic, or magic derived from one's self, instead of a divine connection, which would be the case with Hammer and Pagan magics.
This may be the reason why Keepers have to "draw" their Glyphs in order to use them, as an added component is necessary to call forth magical power when such magics aren't connected to a divine source. The converse would, in this case, also be true; Hammers and Pagans can conjure their magics with simple somatic and verbal components because they have a connection to a well-defined source of power, the Builder or Trickster, thus making the use of their magics more "user-friendly" than those of the Hand Magi or Keepers.
van HellSing on 20/3/2009 at 19:36
Quote Posted by Holy Thief
I would not accept the concept of women as nuns or priestesses. :nono:
I gather you are ok with male nuns then?
demagogue on 20/3/2009 at 20:26
Quote Posted by Myth
So you meant to say that a Pagan Shaman, a Hammerite Preist and a Mage
all use essentially the same power walk into a bar ...
fixed.
jtr7 on 20/3/2009 at 23:15
:laff::laff:
RH: You're correct about that to an extent. Certainly it has it's roots in all that, but all magic-wielders with hands use their hands, and the apparitions (Hammer Priest, Giles, and Captain Markham), living Hammer and Mech Priests all cast the same kind of spell, and in TDS a lot of it was replaced by wands, which are an extension of the hand waving. So the somatic component is the primary focus of the mind, and their belief system is actually secondary and gives them a reason. Even the Trickster used the somatic component.
Viki is the most unique, next to The Sentients, and Keepers, for variation, and the Hand Mages just seem advanced compared to the Priests who wouldn't spend nearly so much time on a single discipline as the Hand Mages.
Magic is inherent in the world to the extent that it's not so difficult to tap into. It's happening everywhere, and the practitioners aren't always affiliated with a god.
Queue on 21/3/2009 at 00:26
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So you meant to say that a Pagan Shaman, a Hammerite Preist and a Mage
all use essentially the same power walk into a bar ...
I'm confused, demagogue--which one owns the place?
Now bring on the Hammerite Hotties! *pulling out a wad of dollar bills*
