Beleg Cúthalion on 11/6/2007 at 07:57
Are there Pagans or Hammers in other cities? Since nothing relevant happens outside the City (and Mage Towers, Cragscleft, even Markham's Isle belong to the town), there's no base at all to discuss about. That's like when you talk about wether there is a continent called Europe on another planet. Sorry, could not get a better example. :erg:
jtr7 on 11/6/2007 at 13:06
Speculation threads are speculation not fact-finding. The only time the facts come into play are when someone uses source material straight from the game files as a canonical example. Why people can't discern speculation, in the spirit of thought-exercise, from reality in these threads continues to baffle me.
Beleg Cúthalion on 11/6/2007 at 13:48
Keepers of Creepers. Great piece of thought-exercise...
c130 on 11/6/2007 at 17:49
Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion
Are there Pagans or Hammers in other cities? Since nothing relevant happens outside the City (and Mage Towers, Cragscleft, even Markham's Isle belong to the town), there's no base at all to discuss about. That's like when you talk about wether there is a continent called Europe on another planet. Sorry, could not get a better example. :erg:
I'm fairly sure I heard somewhere that the Hammers played a big part in the construction of The City - so they'd need to have come from somewhere.
jtr7 on 11/6/2007 at 20:50
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Keepers of Creepers. Great piece of thought-exercise...
You're post is missing pertinent emoticons. One might think you've missed the entire point.
Musopticon? on 12/6/2007 at 23:03
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Ankh-Morpork is basically Pratchett's homage to Lankhmar. Hell, the first book has his tribute to Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser (Bravd and the Weasel).
And you can definitely see influences in Thief.
.j.
Ah, but the interesting question is: Was China Mieville's New Crobuzon influenced by the City? Does awesome original fantasy appear as a continuum throughout good authors!?
Is there no end to awesomeness!?!Solabusca on 13/6/2007 at 02:02
Oh, you KNOW New Crozubon was inspired by China's gaming days. He's an old-school D&D player - hence the affectionate nod to PC's in the adventuring group that gets recruited.
(Oh, for anyone that's interested, they just published a whole bunch of D20 stuff for China Miéville's NC books in Dragon Magazine.)
I'm not sure how much influence the City had on NC - about the only thing similar is that they've got steam-driven tech. NC seems a bit further advanced, and has a slew of not-so-ordinary races sharing space with the humans.
Although awesomeness and urban fantasy does tend to go together (Leiber, China Miéville, Pratchett, Gaimen, the Thieves' World books... the list goes on.)
.j.
Beleg Cúthalion on 13/6/2007 at 11:50
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You're post is missing pertinent emoticons. One might think you've missed the entire point.
I think those emoticons make us lose our ability to express something clearly – and without them.
Since there has been canonical evidence that at least
our Keepers don't keep something outside the City, you'd have to create a completely new system/context if you wanted to have different Keepers in a different City.
There seem to be two ways of expanding/exploring the Thief universe: One is to look around what we've got and maybe combine it in new ways, the other one – which, I think, is often overrated as being incredibly creative – is to invent new things. I am kind of stickler for the first one. In this case it'd mean that I would rather explore the Keeper's past, which became more interesting with TDS, than inventing new Keepers. Just to define my position.
jtr7 on 13/6/2007 at 18:59
I can agree with that.:)
oozatden on 13/6/2007 at 23:08
Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion
Are there Pagans or Hammers in other cities? Since nothing relevant happens outside the City (and Mage Towers, Cragscleft, even Markham's Isle belong to the town), there's no base at all to discuss about.
That's like when you talk about wether there is a continent called Europe on another planet. Sorry, could not get a better example. :erg:
And who says Americans are insular?!?
On the thread though, given previous mention to Pratchett's Discworld, I would like to throw another literary theory into the melting pot. Given that it seems as though the City is completely self contained with occasional mentions made of other places (ie they are known to exist but are unimportant in the day to day scheme of things) this compares to Orwell's inner party views of 1984. Perhaps the keepers are the ultimate keepers of doublethink?
Adds colour to the debate anyway!?
