Doom 3 source code packaged and tested.

jay pettitt on 7/11/2011 at 18:26

What I'd really like to see, but won't for bloom mods, is, if it's even remotely technically feasible, Tech4 (and TDM) running reasonably well on those integrated Intel graphics thingies which are in everything these days.

Renzatic on 7/11/2011 at 19:07

It could probably run decently enough on one of the new Sandy Bridge Intel HD 3000s.

jay pettitt on 7/11/2011 at 19:30

You'll have to forgive me because I'm a little out of touch with all this computer malarkey - but is that an egalitarian thing for the everyman or a high end gizmo that only a few will ever see?

Anyways, if it's the former, then that's nice and I shall sleep happy and content tonight.

wonderfield on 7/11/2011 at 19:41

The Intel HD 3000 (GT2) is what you get when you buy a higher-end Core i5 or i7 proc like a 2500S, 2500, 2500K or 2600. It's Intel's on-die GPU and the bigger brother of the HD 2000 (GT1). It's a marginally capable bit of engineering good enough for running some older games at a decent clip. Its performance in OpenGL leaves a bit to be desired, though.

Most of the motherboard-integrated Intel IGPs in older systems aren't very good, however. Good enough to run games like Quake and Thief at lowish resolutions, but not nearly powerful enough to run anything like Doom 3.

Renzatic on 7/11/2011 at 19:43

It's on current generation i5 & i7s. It's kind of the mid-end, good processor, decent GPU in a low power small form factor option.

So it's for computers in the $500-$800 range at the moment. It'll be entry level once a few more processor generations have come and gone.

Quote Posted by Wonderfield

Most of the motherboard-integrated Intel IGPs in older systems aren't very good, however. Good enough to run games like Quake and Thief at lowish resolutions, but not nearly powerful enough to run anything like Doom 3.

D'wuh? It's powerful enough to run Call of Duty 4 and Starcraft in low-medium/1280x720ish resolution. It could tear up Doom 3.

edit: (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html) here you go.

Doom 3 ultra settings. 44 FPS average. It's not the most inspiring thing in the world, but it's decent.

wonderfield on 7/11/2011 at 19:50

I was referring to the older on-board GPUs, not the HD 3000. The HD 3000 is on-die, not on-board.

lost_soul on 7/11/2011 at 19:51

For competition's sake, I would also like to see an alternative to NVidia for playing TDM in Linux. Last I checked, the Intel drivers were much slower than the Windows ones, and ATI had a habbit of dropping driver support for cards that were only about three or four years old. NVidia tends to support their cards for years and years and years, so I'm sure my GTX460 and GT440 will be playing TDM in 2017 with no problem.

For example, I can still use a Geforce 6200 on a modern distro if I wanted to.

Renzatic on 7/11/2011 at 19:51

Damn my reading comprehension. I stand corrected.

nbohr1more on 7/11/2011 at 22:42

Intel made a disastrous decision after it's 865 chipset in 2004. They moved all the Vertex processing to the CPU for their next-gen integrated stuff. This was the exact opposite move to what Nvidia did to revolutionize graphic performance with "(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transform,_clipping,_and_lighting) Hardware TnL" . :nono:

You can't blame modern engines for not working on Intel Graphics until recently. Intel made a very poor decision and it crippled the low-end for generations.

Yes, engines like Source which rely on baked lighting don't chew through triangles like Doom 3 or Unreal Engine 3, but the point is NOT to be stuck in 1999, no? Especially since the 845 chipset does have Hardware TnL. :sweat:

"Intel. Regressing technology to pre-2K features for half a decade."

wonderfield on 7/11/2011 at 23:43

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I'm not entirely sure I see an issue here. Either you buy an older AMD card and use older drivers (which are likely to work fine with Tech 4-based games in Linux, I would guess) or you buy a newer AMD card and, hopefully, have decent support for Tech 4-based games with up-to-date drivers. There's your alternative, no?

One can hardly blame Intel and AMD for not attempting to be competitive with NVIDIA in the Linux gaming space. The market there is so infinitesimal in scale that it hardly warrants an effort from any graphics vendor, let alone multiple vendors.